https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=Ruthenski 2026-04-27T08:27:36Z User contributions MediaWiki 1.44.0 https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Blacked.com&diff=4230 2025-04-05T19:01:16Z

<p>Ruthenski: öÖöbsessed!!!!</p> <hr /> <div>Very funny faggot<br /> <br /> Late 1st april fools joke. Yes ik.<br /> <br /> Moloch asked me to tell you that you are his oyest-veyest infidel</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Coco&diff=3695 2025-02-06T14:22:54Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Zem}} <br /> <br /> '''Coco''' '''Schoppenboer-Potgieter''' (born December 16th, 2002, assuming the show takes place in 2019 and the girls are 16) is one of the three main characters in [[Ongezellig]], voiced by [[Cocomelon|Merel Does]]. She is a tall blond girl of Afrikaner descent, who was adopted by Schoppenboer family after her parents {{GlowText|{{Template:RandomSelection|choices=were murdered by some bad persons whose skin color she doesn't remember.;died in a car catastrophe.;died in a lightning strike.;were taken to Hyperborea by Yakub who forgot to take Coco with them.}}}} [[File:Coco_deel_1.png|250px|thumb|Coco asking Maya for a small favor.]]<br /> <br /> == Racial background ==<br /> <br /> Coco is the tallest and whitest of the three sisters and the only one who is an Afrikaner background, with [[Mymy]] being a honorary Dutch (her real ethnicity being insular ching chong) and [[Maya]] an indonesian-chinese-indian-dutch mutt. Despite that her skin is visibly darker than that of other white students (which can probably be attributed to tanning, as Coco is a passionate rugby player) and she has T30 eyes (actually she has got T07 according to [https://youtu.be/YAMbQoArGSo?si=pRweaq-dJGA9SEEQ 2:05] of [[Ongezellig|Deel 4]] doe).&lt;!-- Actually she has got T10 or even T07 according to 2:05 of Deel 4 doe --&gt;<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Personality ==<br /> <br /> Coco is kind, compassionate, and gregarious. As evident by her introductory assignment, she has a desire to help others and improve the world around her. She is always seen wearing a locket, presumably with pictures of her deceased parents. Her deep affection for them is shown several times in the series: in Deel 1 a drawing of young Coco with her parents is presented, in Deel 5, when Maya calls her an orphan, Coco reacts very emotionally, which unusual for her, and almost throws Maya out of the window, piercing Maya with the reckless two-thousand-yard stare. She has a deep love for her family and acts amiably towards them, especially Mymy and Maya, although she struggles to connect with Maya despite being concerned for her. Unlike like Maya, she is very sociable, her friends include [[Cleo]], Yfke, and Zoey.<br /> <br /> Speaking about her family, she is very attached to the old one. That's why Coco cares a lot about her current friends and family, especially about Maya, because she still has some subconscious regrets about her unborn little sister, whose coming arrival she had been excited about (but due to {{GlowText|some occasions}}, all Potgieters, except her, died). The above is explaining Coco's excessive affection for the stepsisters, which is, essentially, the self-reflection on her biological relatives. Besides, a lot of Zaryans believe that her trauma could be classified as PTSD.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Attitude to TND ==<br /> <br /> Her parents were widely believed by [[Zaryans]] to be murdered by blacks in farm attacks, until [[Studio Massa]] [https://soyzellig.party/zellig/res/16640.html#q16805 confirmed] they actually™ “''died in an accident''” and that “''the'' ''farm attack was a red-herring''”. This indirectly means that plaasaanvalle theory, at least, was correct once and has been, figuratively speaking, cancel-cultured because of le important opinion of [[Massadonië|one brown faggot.]] Whenever, Massa had “''rejected''” that theory in March-Aprile of 2024, when there happened an unironical car (more correctly, bus) catastrophe in Zuid Afrika, in which only one girl survived. Maybe, this influenced the working of a new formal version of the Coco's parents death.<br /> <br /> Her attitude to TND is not known and it is highly likely that she wouldn't even know what that means. In fact, she is shown in Deel 5 to be shocked when she reads about the first attempts at TND perpetrated by Belgians in Congo (some experts like Dr. BWCauci say that it was caused by her envy of them).<br /> <br /> =BWC Won=<br /> Coco's '''PVRE ARYAN BLQQD''' and her height of 5'9 makes her a main candidate for BBoerC or any of her tall blond classmates (shipping is zarty culture btw{{CitationNeeded}}).<br /> <br /> [[Category:Ongezellig characters]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=3692 2025-02-01T14:26:34Z

<p>Ruthenski: Well, it&#039;s better now</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|162x162px]] {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> <br /> Agarthy got raided on 12th October by [[Swedish.win|Swinny]] and [[Frogs|Frogclitty]] but nobody had shown and only few soyquotes were made. <br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|On December the 15th, 2024, the site died and no one remembered it anymore.]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=3691 2025-02-01T14:24:45Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|162x162px]] {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> <br /> Agarthy got raided on 12th October by [[Swedish.win|Swinny]] and [[Frogs|Frogclitty]] but nobody had shown and only few soyquotes were made. <br /> <br /> On December the 15th, 2024, the site died and no one remembered it anymore. <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;inbefore erhm b-but there's a couple archives and whatsoever the agarthy lives in our hearts!!!}}<br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=3690 2025-02-01T14:24:33Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|162x162px]] {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> <br /> Agarthy got raided on 12th October by [[Swedish.win|Swinny]] and [[Frogs|Frogclitty]] but nobody had shown and only few soyquotes were made. <br /> <br /> On December the 15th, 2024, the site died and no one remembered it anymore. <br /> {{Quote|&gt;inbefore erhm b-but there's a couple archives and whatsoever the agarthy lives in our hearts!!!}}<br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=User:Ruthenski&diff=3689 2025-02-01T14:16:39Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Quote|&gt;literal who award}}<br /> [[File:Belarusroach.jpg|thumb|me when someone dared to remove my schizophasia from a page]]<br /> [[File:Coco has the eternal generational beef with the globhomo.png|thumb|My heroine &lt;3]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Ongezellig&diff=3688 2025-01-31T17:53:51Z

<p>Ruthenski: Beinging ESL wuz zardee kultur o algo</p> <hr /> <div>{{Quote|&gt;Series creator massa grew to hate the shows growing non-Dutch fan base and subsequently cancelled Ongezellig out of spite.}} - 4cuck /co/omer anon №143230994<br /> <br /> {{Dutchmutt|Animatie duurt zo lang of zoiets}}<br /> '''Ongezellig''' is a Dutch web-series created by [[Studio Massa]]. It is one episode divided into six deels (parts) with the first part being uploaded on July 20th, 2018 and the last part being uploaded on October 9th, 2022, A number of artwork has also been released, totaling a number of 67, the first artwork was released 2019-09 (ISO) and the last on 2024-01 (also the only video artwork). You can find a copy of all the artwork [https://mega.nz/folder/vjgQCZLa#EllbJ7g2Kp2FGfCSJYdSjA here].<br /> <br /> This web-series has spawned a dedicated community, the Zaryans. The Zaryans are spread across a dedicated imageboard, the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]], and multiple offsite communities on websites such as [[Soyjak.party|'sharty]], [[4chan]], [[Twitter]] and [[Discord|der cord]]. Additionally, this show also spawned the [[ZelligWiki]].<br /> <br /> == Characters ==<br /> <br /> === Main characters ===<br /> [[File:1704343734215-0.png|thumb|(((Ilse)))]]<br /> <br /> [[Maya]], Main character and antihero (Robin Barten)<br /> <br /> [[Mymy]], Sister (Joyce Ter Stege).<br /> <br /> [[Coco]], Sister (Merel Does).<br /> <br /> [[Vera]], Teacher (Kayleigh Luyks).<br /> <br /> === Notable background characters ===<br /> [[Kiki]]: Mymy’s friend and wannabe pirate. <br /> <br /> [[Cleo]]: Coco's slave and token DEI nigger. <br /> <br /> (((Ilse))): [[Jews|Kike]] who probably forced Maya to watch (((Oriental)))(((decadent)))(((films))). <br /> <br /> == Synopsis ==<br /> <br /> Ongezellig is focused on three sisters, making their presentation for their history class. After failing their presentations for various reasons, their history teacher, Vera, lets them until friday 5pm to complete their presentations. However, Mymy's real excuses (AIDS) makes Vera push the date to the current day.<br /> <br /> == Deels ==<br /> <br /> === Deel 1 === <br /> <br /> The deel opens with a tentacle rape tranime, where a squid fucks some girl. We can also see Maya enjoying the moment furiously masturbating. However, right before the squid gets to it, Coco opens the light. Scared, Maya quickly closes the 34 tabs of hentai on her browser. Coco asks about what Maya was doing, and after an awkward conversation between the two, Coco gets to the point: that she needs help with her computer for the history presentation due tomorrow. She also asks if her and Maya could work together. But Maya, instead of accepting, tried to run away from her room. But before the bitch could go far enough, the tape supposed to keep Coco out gets in her way. She then starts to reflect about her failing in just about everything until Mymy captures her. After Maya said something quite ''risqué'' and Mymy devoiled her 157gb presentation, the scene cuts to Coco, who after tampering with Maya's computer, recovers the 34 tabs of Maya's tentacle hentai.<br /> <br /> === Deel 2 ===<br /> <br /> The story cuts to school, where Mymy finished her presentation, which was just genocidal schizo rambling on why she should rule over the 1st graders (the untermensch) and Jews. The history teacher, Vera, tells her that she'll have to restart her presentation. Furious, Mymy pulls out her gun and attempts to commit a schoolocaust. However, Vera caves Mymy's skull in with a glass bottle, preventing her to start a school shooting (see [[/v/]] to know what would happen otherwise). After Mymy crawls back to her place like the grub she is, Vera calls the next student to present, which happens to be Maya. However, Maya did not do her presentation because she was too busy jerking off to tentacle hentai, so Vera tells her she'll have to talk to her after class about a makeup. After that, Vera calls upon the next person on the list, Coco. Coco's presentation was about “mollusc love in ancient Japan”. After talking a little bit, Coco promptly starts an animated film about the subject, which was Maya's squid rape hentai from the beginning of Deel 1. The scene then cuts to Vera's office, with the three sisters in it. Coco being the dumbass that she is, asks what she did wrong.<br /> <br /> === Deel 3 ===<br /> The third part begins with the three sisters sitting in the teacher's office. Coco still doesn't understand what is happening (who would've thought though), while Mymy, Maya and Vera look at her innocent face with shock. Vera becomes a ultra-racist troll™ and baits them through that they're mongols (&quot;retards&quot; but in Dutch). Although, Coco, as always in her own repertoire, misunderstood the teacher and began to explain from what kind of the forgotten by everyone countries they are. She herself was from South Africa, Maya — from Belgium (corrected to be Brabant, Netherlands), and Mymy is from Jap... [[Japsterdam]], aka Aryanheaven you know. Next comes Vera's teasing for Mymy, which ends with the last one forcing them to make a presentation by &lt;s&gt;Friday&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Thursday&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Wednesday&lt;/s&gt; &lt;s&gt;Tuesday&lt;/s&gt; today, because Mymy got AIDS after the BWC rape therapy. Then Maya due to not taking her meds starts having a schizophrenic episode where she isn't a pathetic loser, but realizing this comes only with the Coco's message. In that Coco offers Maya to see the sun's rays and touch the grass, but Maya refuses this as she is already with friends, which got spawned by her specific interaction with &quot;grass&quot;.<br /> <br /> === Deel 4 ===<br /> The deel starts with Coco biding goodbye to her friends before starting to work on her history presentation. The camera cuts to Maya who only wrote 3 words on a new Microsoft Word document when Coco surprises her from the back to ask her a question. Maya, after hearing Coco's simple request, entered an anxious state in which she thought Coco would ask her where she sits at lunch, who are her friends and why does her bed creak at night. Maya then snaps back to reality and says she has Parkinson's disease as an explaination of the latter question she suspected Coco would ask, when it is more probable that the creaking sounds probably come from not-so-discreet acts of self-pleasure. But as it turns out, Coco only wanted to ask Maya if she wanted to work with her and Mymy. But as they were talking, the little orange fucker known under the name &quot;Mymy&quot; did a health check on Maya and revealed she didn't have Parkinson's but that she was autistic.<br /> <br /> === Deel 5 ===<br /> The penultimate part begins with Maya having half an hour left to finish her presentation. Coco and Mymy offer to help her with presentation but first Coco asks Maya what topic for her presentation. She says that her presentation topic is Belgium, which suddenly delighted Mymy and shows Maya an animated video. After watching the animation Coco suggests making a Maya's presentation according to her scheme because Mymy's animation is too racist, which make's Mymy very upset. After a long time of thinking the trio begin working on the presentation until Mymy made a question about whether she has friends or not, Maya almost blushed with shame that she was ready to go through another year instead of staying with two adoptive sisters. Coco tries to improve the situation, but for no reason Maya calls her an orphan, which leads to an unexpected consequence. Coco throws Maya out the window and asks for her forgiveness. Maya apologized to her, but after Coco picked her up, Maya quickly ran to the school toilet. At the end of this part, Mymy says that the animation for Maya's presentation is ready.<br /> <br /> === Deel 6 ===<br /> <br /> Maya is about to ACK herself at the top of the school and join the 41% (even doe she isn't a perverse troon), however, her Zolpidem induced friend tells her she's cringe so she takes her meds. After she snaps back to reality, her memories of her and Coco flash in her head, along with what Coco said the last deel. She then interrupts Coco in her mind, and kicks her off her imaginary island. Maya then plunges her head in the imaginary water and starts to reflect on how her solitude is a [[Jews|jewish]] conspiracy and that she only needs ''something that we will never know because she didn't tell us&lt;sup&gt;(fortunately one zaryan did that [https://soyzellig.party/zellig/res/26969.html#q29127 &lt;nowiki&gt;[1]&lt;/nowiki&gt;] [https://soyzellig.party/zellig/res/5153.html#q36912 &lt;nowiki&gt;[2]&lt;/nowiki&gt;])&lt;/sup&gt; for some reason'' and then she snaps back to reality reminding herself of her presentation. She sprints out of the bathroom, and meets Coco in the hallways, who was looking for her. Since Maya did not make a presentation of herself, Coco told her she'll have to use a redacted version of Mymy's presentation from Deel 4. The scene then fast forwards to Maya, who finished her presentation trembling and sweaty. Vera then suspects Mymy made the presentation, but that it wasn't because there was no anti-Belgian racism. She then gives Maya a passing grade and starts to criticize her presentation. But before Vera finishes, a montage of Maya riding the bike back home with her sisters, eating supper with her sisters and parents and her watching her computer alone goes on. She was watching the end of her squid p', but closed the video when Coco knocked on the door. Coco entered and asked Maya if she wanted to play a board game with her and Mymy. Maya, being a true and devoted truecel, refuses, and the show ends.<br /> <br /> == Abandonement by Massa ==<br /> Sometime in 2024, Studio Massa announced that he'll stop working on Ongezellig. And, except the mention of a possible remaster in the Ongezellig Lore Document, that statement remains true. The reason Massa abandoned zellig is because he was a commiepedotroon, and that the show's fanbase (or non-dutch one, at least) was mainly composed of &quot;hecking nazis&quot;, which he should have expected after putting some edgy jokes in the pilot and making the main character love Hitler. (&lt; /co/ niggerbabble that no Zaryan should listen to)<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> * On July 20th, 2018, Studio Massa released the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvDrBWHvfeM first deel] separate from the second one. He would later unlist the video containing the separate deel when Deel 1+2 was released on July 20th, 2019, exactly one year later. The &quot;prototype&quot; version of the first deel had worse audio and voice acting, a different credits scene and only offered closed captioning in English.<br /> * The series offers subtitles in a variety of languages, like English, French, Japanese, and Romanian. Despite having done all this, Massa still hated his international fanbase for some reason and cancelled Ongezellig out of spite.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ideology_on_Zarty&diff=3687 2025-01-29T11:46:46Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>Problems with this page are the following (not to mention the fact the survey is over outdated btw):<br /> <br /> 1. It doesn't really represent the &quot;political stance&quot; on the Zarty. There are not enough other ideologies on the page besides the right ones, and <br /> <br /> 2. ...they have been renamed by the author whose name I don't remember and are sometimes misleading (&quot;Nazi-Maoists&quot; what was that even supposed to represent? The literal commies from the orig survey??? Also, the fuck are the &quot;Evolites&quot;? Totally absurd page). This can't be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> 3. That wouldn't be extra to also include other poll results in the article, such as age category and so on. <br /> <br /> I have no will to redact this myself but my oldtroon brain can't tolerate this bad interpretation of the poll that I had witnessed before the &quot;Unpleasant update #130&quot; had even been released.<br /> <br /> <br /> Yep, looks like complete niggerbabble and should be updated with the newest [https://strawpoll.com/NMnQNVBrDg6/results results].<br /> <br /> <br /> Remove the page, i made it when i was like 2 weeks on the zarty and fell for bait falseflags thinking they represent what zarty beliefs<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Nieuwzaryan got baited<br /> <br /> It explains a lot</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ideology_on_Zarty&diff=3686 2025-01-29T11:46:31Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>Problems with this page are the following (not to mention the fact the survey is over outdated btw):<br /> <br /> 1. It doesn't really represent the &quot;political stance&quot; on the Zarty. There are not enough other ideologies on the page besides the right ones, and <br /> <br /> 2. ...they have been renamed by the author whose name I don't remember and are sometimes misleading (&quot;Nazi-Maoists&quot; what was that even supposed to represent? The literal commies from the orig survey??? Also, the fuck are the &quot;Evolites&quot;? Totally absurd page). This can't be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> 3. That wouldn't be extra to also include other poll results in the article, such as age category and so on. <br /> <br /> I have no will to redact this myself but my oldtroon brain can't tolerate this bad interpretation of the poll that I had witnessed before the &quot;Unpleasant update #130&quot; had even been released.<br /> <br /> <br /> Yep, looks like complete niggerbabble and should be updated with the newest [https://strawpoll.com/NMnQNVBrDg6/results results].<br /> <br /> <br /> Remove the page, i made it when i was like 2 weeks on the zarty and fell for bait falseflags thinking they represent what zarty beliefs<br /> <br /> &gt;Nieuwzaryan got baited<br /> It explains a lot</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ideology_on_Zarty&diff=3682 2025-01-27T16:47:37Z

<p>Ruthenski: &gt;butthurt ofzo</p> <hr /> <div>Problems with this page are the following (not to mention the fact the survey is over outdated btw):<br /> <br /> 1. It doesn't really represent the &quot;political stance&quot; on the Zarty. There are not enough other ideologies on the page besides the right ones, and <br /> <br /> 2. ...they have been renamed by the author whose name I don't remember and are sometimes misleading (&quot;Nazi-Maoists&quot; what was that even supposed to represent? The literal commies from the orig survey??? Also, the fuck are the &quot;Evolites&quot;? Totally absurd page). This can't be taken seriously. <br /> <br /> 3. That wouldn't be extra to also include other poll results in the article, such as age category and so on. <br /> <br /> <br /> I have no will to redact this myself but my oldtroon brain can't tolerate this bad interpretation of the poll that I had witnessed before the &quot;Unpleasant update #130&quot; had even been released.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Ideology_on_Zarty&diff=3681 2025-01-27T16:02:30Z

<p>Ruthenski: Edit the page with the actual data about the topic or delete this coal-like brapbant stuff. Tl;dr: bump.</p> <hr /> <div>Ideologies on the [[Zarty]] are one of the more discussed topics, with most of it taking place on /brabant/. The most supported ideology is [[National Socialism]] with a measly 19.4% supporting it and apolitical/blackpilled with a 25,8% support.<br /> <br /> == Other ideologies ==<br /> According to the {{GlowText|survey}} only 19,4% of Zaryans supports le evil Nazism (28.4% if you include Fascism) which refutes the common new[[/co/]]&lt;nowiki/&gt;mer myth that Zaryans are le evil nazifascistchuds. A list of the other main ideologies chosen by Zaryans will be shown below.<br /> <br /> === Right-wing populists- 12.9% ===<br /> Right-wing populists support a conservative economic policy with protectionist/left wing economic tendencies. They want to enact PND and dislike [[Mudslimes|muslims]]. Many of them pretend to be ironic fascists. <br /> <br /> === Conservatives - 12,9% ===<br /> Generally this group hates Hitler and the Axis for fighting a losing war, which resulted in the deaths of millions. They support anti-immigration policies and putting a limitation on government power over its citizens. Evendoe they have some [[TND]] tendencies, conservatives have pretty normal and bland take, and dislike other ideologies, especially the more esoteric ones. Cuckservatives accuse chuds, or rather their strawman, of being terminally online and LARPing impossible ideologies. <br /> <br /> === Fascists - 9.7% ===<br /> Zarty Fascists support Italy in WW2, but they distance themselves from Hitler and Germany. They support TND and TKD in some form, as well as strong nationalism and anti-degeneracy policies. They believe in revitalizing the nation through Collectivism and State of action. Fascists have some oddball variants with some influence as shown below.<br /> <br /> === Nazi-Maoism ~ 5% ===<br /> Nazi-Maoists support radical dictatorships as a tool to oppose [[Jews|Jewish]] finance. They focus on TKD at the cost of TND and TTD, believing that these issues will solve themselves after (((they))) are removed from the power structure.<br /> <br /> === Zarty Evolites ~ 5% ===<br /> Zarty supporters of Julius Evola are more removed from irl politics than other ideologies, oriented towards the concerns of Soyzellig.party itself. They want to revitalize the Zarty through spiritual larping, destroying what they believe to be moralfaggotry through [[Zelligparty.soy|enabling NSFW]] and using the energy taken from drama to enact massive raids against its enemies. They tried to buy/recreate the [[XOOT|Zooru]] website, which nearly succeded, collecting 180 USD for domain purchase. &lt;this NEVER happened, someone call Snopes.<br /> <br /> <br /> Link to survey - https://archive.ph/zOUgQ</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=User:Czechozelliger&diff=3678 2025-01-26T14:53:28Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Fiala.png|frameless|84x84px]]Tady ta wiki stranka je OVĚŘENA ČESKOU ODS!!!!!<br /> <br /> [[File:Schizo.jpg|frameless|88x88px]] This schizo zem was made by czechozelliger<br /> <br /> Hello, i am some czech nigger who loves zellig or whatever and is owner of some Paramilitary [[Z.V.F|larping]], idk zoot please open mod applications again please please please i love mymy<br /> <br /> MUSÍ být udělan českej dubing zelligu!!!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Xer majesty of kuz.png|278x278px]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Chuds feedbacks:<br /> <br /> MymyAryanbeast: this zaryan is very keyed, i approve<br /> <br /> Another 'ligger: that czech fan dub done by Slavko Tagova went hard btw</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=User:Czechozelliger&diff=3677 2025-01-26T14:53:10Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Fiala.png|frameless|84x84px]]Tady ta wiki stranka je OVĚŘENA ČESKOU ODS!!!!!<br /> <br /> [[File:Schizo.jpg|frameless|88x88px]] This schizo zem was made by czechozelliger<br /> <br /> Hello, i am some czech nigger who loves zellig or whatever and is owner of some Paramilitary [[Z.V.F|larping]], idk zoot please open mod applications again please please please i love mymy<br /> <br /> MUSÍ být udělan českej dubing zelligu!!!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[File:Xer majesty of kuz.png|278x278px]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Chuds feedbacks:<br /> <br /> MymyAryanbeast: this zaryan is very keyed, i approve<br /> Another 'ligger: that czech fan dub done by Slavko Tagova went hard btw</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Coco&diff=3676 2025-01-25T11:35:12Z

<p>Ruthenski: &quot;This is a minor edit&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{Zem}} <br /> <br /> '''Coco''' '''Schoppenboer-Potgieter''' (born December 16th, 2002, assuming the show takes place in 2019 and the girls are 16) is one of the three main characters in [[Ongezellig]], voiced by [[Cocomelon|Merel Does]]. She is a tall blond girl of Afrikaner descent, who was adopted by Schoppenboer family after her parents {{GlowText|{{Template:RandomSelection|choices=were murdered by some bad persons whose skin color she doesn't remember.;died in a car catastrophe.;died in a lightning strike.;were taken to Hyperborea by Yakub who forgot to take Coco with them.}}}} [[File:Coco_deel_1.png|250px|thumb|Coco asking Maya for a small favor.]]<br /> <br /> == Racial background ==<br /> <br /> Coco is the tallest and whitest of the three sisters and the only one who is an Afrikaner background, with [[Mymy]] being a honorary Dutch (her real ethnicity being insular ching chong) and [[Maya]] an indonesian-chinese-indian-dutch mutt. Despite that her skin is visibly darker than that of other white students (which can probably be attributed to tanning, as Coco is a passionate rugby player) and she has T30 eyes (actually she has got T10 or even T07 according to [https://youtu.be/YAMbQoArGSo?si=pRweaq-dJGA9SEEQ 2:05] of [[Ongezellig|Deel 4]] doe).&lt;!-- Actually she has got T10 or even T07 according to 2:05 of Deel 4 doe --&gt;<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Personality ==<br /> <br /> Coco is kind, compassionate, and gregarious. As evident by her introductory assignment, she has a desire to help others and improve the world around her. She is always seen wearing a locket, presumably with pictures of her deceased parents. Her deep affection for them is shown several times in the series: in Deel 1 a drawing of young Coco with her parents is presented, in Deel 5, when Maya calls her an orphan, Coco reacts very emotionally, which unusual for her, and almost throws Maya out of the window, piercing Maya with the reckless two-thousand-yard stare. She has a deep love for her family and acts amiably towards them, especially Mymy and Maya, although she struggles to connect with Maya despite being concerned for her. Unlike like Maya, she is very sociable, her friends include [[Cleo]], Yfke, and Zoey.<br /> <br /> Speaking about her family, she is very attached to the old one. That's why Coco cares a lot about her current friends and family, especially about Maya, because she still has some subconscious regrets about her unborn little sister, whose coming arrival she had been excited about (but due to {{GlowText|some occasions}}, all Potgieters, except her, died). The above is explaining Coco's excessive affection for the stepsisters, which is, essentially, the self-reflection on her biological relatives. Besides, a lot of Zaryans believe that her trauma could be classified as PTSD.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Attitude to TND ==<br /> <br /> Her parents were widely believed by [[Zaryans]] to be murdered by blacks in farm attacks, until [[Studio Massa]] [https://soyzellig.party/zellig/res/16640.html#q16805 confirmed] they actually™ “''died in an accident''” and that “''the'' ''farm attack was a red-herring''”. This indirectly means that plaasaanvalle theory, at least, was correct once and has been, figuratively speaking, cancel-cultured because of le important opinion of [[Massadonië|one brown faggot.]] Whenever, Massa had “''rejected''” that theory in March-Aprile of 2024, when there happened an unironical car (more correctly, bus) catastrophe in Zuid Afrika, in which only one girl survived. Maybe, this influenced the working of a new formal version of the Coco's parents death.<br /> <br /> Her attitude to TND is not known and it is highly likely that she wouldn't even know what that means. In fact, she is shown in Deel 5 to be shocked when she reads about the first attempts at TND perpetrated by Belgians in Congo (some experts like Dr. BWCauci say that it was caused by her envy of them).<br /> <br /> =BWC Won=<br /> Coco's '''PVRE ARYAN BLQQD''' and her height of 5'9 makes her a main candidate for BBoerC or any of her tall blond classmates (shipping is zarty culture btw{{CitationNeeded}}).<br /> <br /> [[Category:Ongezellig characters]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Massadoni%C3%AB&diff=3674 2025-01-24T17:15:15Z

<p>Ruthenski: /* Robin#8928 */</p> <hr /> <div>Can I add real name and surname of Foenkie? Or would that be doxing him<br /> <br /> Depends on how you obtained the name I guess.<br /> <br /> You can add it if he’s stated his name publicly.<br /> <br /> It is on his fb which has his alias in its link so I'm not sure<br /> <br /> If his Facebook has his alias than you should be in the clear, but why do you even feel the need to put his real name in the article? I don’t think that’s necessary unless you’re planning on writing an entire section about him.<br /> <br /> == Robin#8928 ==<br /> <br /> According to Mike’s graph, this person was a No voter and had 79,015 messages. This was most likely Robin Barten (Maya’s voice actress), but I left it out of the Trivia section since I still had doubt. Is there anyway to confirm this user is Robin Barten?<br /> <br /> Obsessed with 'zellig VA award. I don't know, maybe even impossible since what happened a long time ago.<br /> <br /> &quot;Is there anyway to confirm this user is Robin Barten?&quot;<br /> Look at the activity stats, she's almost the most active user on the server.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Vera&diff=3670 2025-01-22T20:27:27Z

<p>Ruthenski: Let&#039;s see the result</p> <hr /> <div>{{Zem}}<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;the most underrated character award and i wonder why...}}<br /> <br /> '''Vera Persijn''' is the history teacher of [[Ongezellig]]’s main cast and acts as a sort of antagonist throughout all of the Deels. She is a depressed alcoholic and smoker (Snopes approved note: she actually just drinks non-alcoholic beverages and smokes fake cigarettes) who had aspirations of becoming a rockstar when she was young, but round up becoming an educator. She is not particularly fond of the three sisters and has a special disdain towards [[Mymy]], describing her as a megalomaniac with a Napoleon complex.<br /> [[File:GSjBJDwWcAAII9o.jpg|thumb|484x484px|Vera making Sproke.]]<br /> <br /> == Racial background ==<br /> The surname &quot;Persijn&quot; suggests that she's the descendant [[wikipedia:Persijn#:~:text=The%20name%20Persijn%20or%20Persyn,te%20Velsen%20north%20of%20Haarlem.|of one of the oldest and noblest families of the present-day Netherlands]], whose forefather is said to have returned from Greece in 990. They ruled the areas of Waterland and Amsterdam for almost all of the High Middle Ages and their coat of arms is said to have inspired the current Flag of Amsterdam. Basically Vera is an ARYAN HYPERWARRIOR from AGARTHA and if you haven't kneeled yet, you should do it now. She also possesses natural purple hairs and purple/greyish eyes, undoubtedly because of her inherent Aryan Vril flowing through her veins. Despite all of this, some (((Zaryans))) {{GlowText|jokingly}} say that she's actually Ashkenazi.<br /> <br /> == Personality ==<br /> Vera is the walking stereotype of the teacher in her middle age crisis, only doing the bare minimum for her job because she's required to, radiating a gloomy and depressive aura, and featuring an internal repressed rage, which finds its way out when she has to put up with the TND girls' shenanigans, such as in Deel 2, where she hits Mymy with a bottle, or in Deel 3, where she shows a sliver of her rage to the 'zellig girls. She thinks lowly of her students, not hesitating to call them dumb or by belittling their wishes, dreams and behaviours in her notes. She's also somewhat hard to fool, as seen during the third deel, when she calls out Mymy for saying that &quot;she's from Japsterdam, Drenthe&quot;, but not when Maya displays a presentation done by Coco and Mymy. It is to be noted that she was suspicious of it, but didn't look further because &quot;it wasn't racist&quot;. <br /> <br /> == Attitude to TND ==<br /> At the start of Deel 3, Vera insults Mymy, Maya and Coco, by calling them mongoloids, so it can be assumed that she thinks that some races are not as smart as others&lt;sup&gt;(DSL 'liggers really don't know neither dutch language nor culture to understand that [https://soyzellig.party/zellig/res/16712.html#q16719 &quot;mongoloid&quot; literally means &quot;dumb&quot;] GEG)&lt;/sup&gt;. In her notes, she also mocks Cleo's dream of becoming a musician, probably because she inherently knows that niggers are only good at stealing and destroying stuff built by white people. Although there's no ultimate proof that she supports TND, she's already predisposed to it thanks to the previously mentioned points.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> * Her character was inspired by one of Massa's school assignments.<br /> <br /> * Her hairstyle is taken from April May from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.<br /> <br /> * She's not a hag.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Ongezellig characters]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Vera&diff=3669 2025-01-22T20:25:29Z

<p>Ruthenski: not sure this template can work so</p> <hr /> <div>{{Zem}}<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;the most underrated character award and i wonder why...}}<br /> <br /> '''Vera Persijn''' is the history teacher of [[Ongezellig]]’s main cast and acts as a sort of antagonist throughout all of the Deels. She is a depressed alcoholic and smoker (Snopes approved note: she actually just drinks non-alcoholic beverages and smokes fake cigarettes) who had aspirations of becoming a rockstar when she was young, but round up becoming an educator. She is not particularly fond of the three sisters and has a special disdain towards [[Mymy]], describing her as a megalomaniac with a Napoleon complex.<br /> [[File:GSjBJDwWcAAII9o.jpg|thumb|484x484px|Vera making Sproke.]]<br /> <br /> == Racial background ==<br /> The surname &quot;Persijn&quot; suggests that she's the descendant [[wikipedia:Persijn#:~:text=The%20name%20Persijn%20or%20Persyn,te%20Velsen%20north%20of%20Haarlem.|of one of the oldest and noblest families of the present-day Netherlands]], whose forefather is said to have returned from Greece in 990. They ruled the areas of Waterland and Amsterdam for almost all of the High Middle Ages and their coat of arms is said to have inspired the current Flag of Amsterdam. Basically Vera is an ARYAN HYPERWARRIOR from AGARTHA and if you haven't kneeled yet, you should do it now. She also possesses natural purple hairs and purple/greyish eyes, undoubtedly because of her inherent Aryan Vril flowing through her veins. Despite all of this, some (((Zaryans))) {{GlowText|jokingly}} say that she's actually Ashkenazi.<br /> <br /> == Personality ==<br /> Vera is the walking stereotype of the teacher in her middle age crisis, only doing the bare minimum for her job because she's required to, radiating a gloomy and depressive aura, and featuring an internal repressed rage, which finds its way out when she has to put up with the TND girls' shenanigans, such as in Deel 2, where she hits Mymy with a bottle, or in Deel 3, where she shows a sliver of her rage to the 'zellig girls. She thinks lowly of her students, not hesitating to call them dumb or by belittling their wishes, dreams and behaviours in her notes. She's also somewhat hard to fool, as seen during the third deel, when she calls out Mymy for saying that &quot;she's from Japsterdam, Drenthe&quot;, but not when Maya displays a presentation done by Coco and Mymy. It is to be noted that she was suspicious of it, but didn't look further because &quot;it wasn't racist&quot;. <br /> <br /> == Attitude to TND ==<br /> At the start of Deel 3, Vera insults Mymy, Maya and Coco, by calling them mongoloids, so it can be assumed that she thinks that some races are not as smart as others{{DSL 'liggers really don't know neither dutch language nor culture to understand that &quot;mongoloid&quot; literally means &quot;dumb&quot; GEG|CitationNeeded}}. In her notes, she also mocks Cleo's dream of becoming a musician, probably because she inherently knows that niggers are only good at stealing and destroying stuff built by white people. Although there's no ultimate proof that she supports TND, she's already predisposed to it thanks to the previously mentioned points.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> <br /> * Her character was inspired by one of Massa's school assignments.<br /> <br /> * Her hairstyle is taken from April May from Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.<br /> <br /> * She's not a hag.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Ongezellig characters]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=File:-frog-.png&diff=3667 2025-01-17T18:04:03Z

<p>Ruthenski: Stop noticing zoyim</p> <hr /> <div>/frog/ catalog<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;Built for B W C}}</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=User:Jeet&diff=3599 2025-01-03T10:52:53Z

<p>Ruthenski: something nca</p> <hr /> <div>Its me. That Indian guy. I like Zellig and I WILL shill it as much as I can. Massa gave up but us Zaryans would never. Have I fail raided? Yes. Have I ever samefagged? Fuck no.<br /> <br /> <br /> readers added context: geg nobody cares</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2808 2024-10-28T10:52:41Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.<br /> <br /> Geg, talk to the guy who argued about the canonicity etc. Originally I put them all in one page, with a notice with the explanation, but (You) complained, now I divide them and (You) still complain. Get to a decision, but don't change the pages randomly<br /> <br /> Your dividing isn't what I want. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Our disagreement on Ongezellig timeline does't deserve a whole page (&quot;Extended timeline&quot;). Also, is the exact date of 'mails creation already known? Where did you take information that these were created in 2022? If I will decide to change the page, it would help me in editing.<br /> <br /> It isn't what (You) want but it has worked for the others (they didn't seem to complain). We've had a lengthy reddit discussion about the situation, and you could see why the option of &quot;these are 2 different timelines&quot; was reached. The 2022 shift is probably when Massa decided to scrap the old line of lore in favour of whatever he put in the doc, never said that that's when the mayamails were created (they were actually created in 2018). And no don't change the page just yet, also what's there to edit or add? Everything important is already there<br /> <br /> I don't monitor the timeline page, but the discussion one. So, if Mayamails were created in 2018, and it means they were the same with MS16 (contextually), that's to say parts of the original 2018 timeline, then, in our case, where Massa has shifted timeline forward a year (from 2018 to 2019), those (plot of 'mails and MS16) should shift forward a year as well, but in the page we would notate this curious thing to prevent readers' misunderstanding.<br /> «Others didn't complain»<br /> All is like this because nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.<br /> «What concretely do you want to change?»<br /> Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page. Secondly, do the above-mentioned edits and notes.<br /> <br /> &quot;should shift forward a year as well&quot; but they can't because they would fuck with the other, more canon source, of the girls being 16. I have checked the dates countless times, and they fall exactly in 2018. The Mayamails simply can't be added to the &quot;Canon timeline&quot; without changing something else. &quot;nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.&quot; we're at least 4 in this thread, talk to the other 2s. &quot;Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page&quot; again I'd need to change the timeline AGAIN and move everything back 1 year to comfortably fit the mayamails in.<br /> <br /> Wait, just, I just got that none of us do understand what we are waffling about. Can I do a sketch of the page and post it later, okay?<br /> <br /> Sure, I've been arguing for 2 weeks about this, might as well try every option<br /> <br /> Sorry I had accidentally forgotten my promise but I'll post what I want to edit on this page</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2655 2024-10-12T21:18:39Z

<p>Ruthenski: ?????</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|162x162px]] {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Copypasta&diff=2646 2024-10-12T16:46:32Z

<p>Ruthenski: %%MKzooltra%%</p> <hr /> <div>A copypasta is a [https://www.snopes.com/ funny] string of words written by a group of monkeys on a typewriter, that usually gets spammed in an attempt to use nonsense or a disproportionate reaction to achieve humour. The Zarty has its fair share of copypastas, which usually fall in two categories: SFW and NSFW. There's also an inter-category: 'pastas about the girls, especially Mymy.<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;(You) WILL contribute to this page by adding more 'pastas}}<br /> <br /> == SFW (Silly Funny Words) ==<br /> <br /> ==== Massa cancelled Ongezellig ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Series creator Massa grew to hate the show's growing non-Dutch fan base and subsequently cancelled Ongezellig out of spite.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Pet nigger ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;sorry guys this is my pet nigger, he sometimes posts &quot;funny&quot; things like this but he is harmless, he might be annoying sometimes, but he is all heart&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I want to live in the Ongezellig world ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I want to live in ongezellig forever, i wish the netherlands wasnt made up so i can live with ongezellig and do history presentatie for the rest of my life. I want to go to the ongezellig school and watch mymy's slavernij presentatie and coco's mollusk love presentatie on repeat all day for the rest of my life. I want to watch mollusk love with maya and threaten to drop her out of a window with coco. I want to shoot vera with reusable bullets with mymy. i want to wallow in self deprecation with maya in a dirty small bathroom stall. i want to insult coco's parents and watch wat happens. i want to beat mymy with a non alcoholic beverage bottle with vera, i would ride to ongezellig school on a obligatory bicycle and do nothing in mediatheek all day until it is 4:30 pm, after which i ask coco and mymy for help with it.<br /> <br /> i would recruit the kinderen in somalie into kiki's pirate club and take down large vessels thru them pirate style. i would get diagnosed with ah-day-day (ADD or autism denial disorder) by mymy and take the ongezellig bus to ongezellig school. i would become friends with mymy and tell maya she is a loser and a gooner but that i still love her at the end of the day. i will show sympathy n offer support to coco over the loss of her parents in zuid afrika and listen to every single song that her band &quot;running in the 60s&quot; creates. i would help mymy come to terms with the fact she is japanese, and that it is okay, since she will always be a true oranje dutch patriot nonetheless. i would spend time with each of them and go out and around the netherlands with them, watching movies, going out shopping with them, walking thru blooming fields of tulips with a windmill or two in the distance. i would then go home and sleep, knowing the next day will be full of just as many, if not more things to look forward to, in this perfect ideal world in which ongezellig takes place. in this perfect world, there will be more things that would make me happy. i would not have to dream about living in ongezellig anymore in this perfect world, because i would already be living in ongezellig.<br /> <br /> i will make it my mission in life to live forever in ongezellig world, and live there for the rest of eternity. i would do anything it takes to even get a chance to talk with coco, or maya, or mymy. i would do anything to spend a moment of time with vera, or kiki, or cleo, or yfke, or henk, or sjef, or rens, or zoey, or tryn, or wiel, or axel, or goof, or adam, or bert, or koos, or cato, or ilse. i would go great lengths just to live in the ongezellig world, and live in it forever. each day another deel. each day another gleaming opportunity to help coco with technological problems regarding her computer, or an opportunity to further radicalize mymy, or help maya become gezellig, repairing and saving her relationship with her sisters, before asking out her mother in front of her eyes. this perfect world is gezellig. ongezellig is gezellig. i want to be gezellig. this world is the perfect afterlife for me. when i die, i want to be reincarnated as a tacky ongezellig oc and forever spend eternity living, being gezellig, hanging out with maya, mymy and coco, eating the weird green slop at the end of deel 6, playing a board game with them, eating a diet of exclusively dutch cuisine. this is the perfect world for me. thank you studio massa, thank you for creating ongezellig. ongezellig has unironically made me happier and my life better, and i cannot wait to meet up with ongezellig in the afterlife. One day….<br /> <br /> goodbye allemaal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Reddit 'pasta ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;‼️‼️HOLY FUCKING SHIT‼️‼️‼️‼️ IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING ONGEZELLIG REFERENCE??????!!!!!!!!!!11!1!1!1!1!1!1! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱 ONGEZELLIG IS THE BEST FUCKING TOON 🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯 MAYA IS SO UNSOCIABLEEE 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎👊👊 IK BEN HET MAAR IK BEN HET MAAR IK BEN HET MAAR IK BEN HET MAAR IK BEN HET MAAR 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩 😩😩😩JAPSTERDAM JAPSTERDAM JAPSTERDAM JAPSTERDAM JAPSTERDAM🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬🤬😡🤬🤬😡VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY VOCALLTHEWAY BELGIANS ARE NOT A RACE! VERA CURSED VERA CURSED VERA CURSED VERA CURSED Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 Coco did nothing wrong! 🇿🇦 The presentation is still not finished?!? INDONESIAN SAD GIRL HAS AUTISM DENIAL DISORDER DISORDER DISORDER DISORDER ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓SCHOOLOCAUST SCHOOLOCAUST SCHOOLOCAUST ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? DEEL 7 WHEN? 😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? Mollusk Love in ancient Japan? 🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑🦑 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱I hate Belgians 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱I hate Belgians 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱I hate Belgians 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱I hate Belgians 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱 Mymy best class representative r/zellig r/Ongezellig_irl perfectly balanced as all things should be r/ongezellig r/gezellig&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== 1630 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Your deflection won't save you from TGD.<br /> <br /> Kill yourself fakezaryan kike. You're going to burn and your days are fucking numbered.<br /> <br /> Be quiet falseflagger. You sound like a seething falseflagger. Sage. Zellig in the thread. Zaryan power. Zaryan race. ZVF. Sieg Mymy for the Rijk. Ongezellig2024 #Rijk. I sieg Mymy. Volk for the gezellig. Gezellig for the Zoot. Zarty.<br /> <br /> Sage. Seething falseflagger.<br /> <br /> And for your actions, the faggots have committed an unforgivable crime. All faggots shall be removed from the Netherlands and its colonies. No one shall love them nor forgive them. Falseflagcord shall be destroyed. /qa/ shall be recolonized.<br /> <br /> And everyone you love goes to hell forever and ceases to be. Along with you.<br /> <br /> All that you hate happens. And all that you hate is good. All that you hate wins. And all that you hate is loved by all.<br /> <br /> Every harm against you and your 'corders is blessed and good. All that you are is undone. And all you get is punishment.<br /> <br /> All your love dies. All that you have is taken. And all that you love kills you.<br /> <br /> #ZELLIG #MZGA #STOPMZSA @ZOOT #Z #WZG1WGA kill gooners kill frogs 1630 ZVF VOC FLAG SIEG MYMY for the rijk the #Ongezellig2024 rijk lynch gooners gas the falseflaggers.<br /> <br /> die falseflagger die. DIEFALSEFLAGGER DIE. you're going to Friesland. you're going to Kerobokan. the #Ongezellig2024 rijk will gas ALL GOONERS. Zoot is führer, Zoot is GOD.<br /> <br /> Ongezellig won. Get over it. kill the coconigger /co/ janitor. Ongezellig won. Get over it. kill the swinnynigger /soy/ janitor. Ongezellig won. Get over it. kill the goonernigger /co/ janitor. Ongezellig won. Get over it. kill the coconigger /co/ janitor. Ongezellig won. Get over it.<br /> <br /> 1630<br /> <br /> Gas the gooners total gooner death now<br /> <br /> Massa did nothing wrong<br /> <br /> I wish /co/ never existed<br /> <br /> Falseflaggers are not human<br /> <br /> Reddit cancelled Ongezellig&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== YWNBARZ ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;You will never be a real zellig fan. You have no zems, you have no passion, you have no imageboard. You are a band kid twisted by (((them))) and the media into a crude mockery of a zaryan’s perfection.<br /> <br /> All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your fellow fans are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your redditesque appearance behind closed doors.<br /> <br /> Zaryans are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of hours of shitposting have allowed zaryans to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even people like R_Terra who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a zaryan. Your channel is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to create a single zem, a zaryan will turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your brimstone, belgian coal.<br /> <br /> You will never get rid of us. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.<br /> <br /> Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. No one will find you, zaryans being relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment of people such as you. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your anti-zaryan obsession, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a redditor is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a stain on the glistening zemerald of the zaryan community.<br /> <br /> This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> === About Maya ===<br /> <br /> ==== Maya plays a horror game ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I want to make Maya play Outlast or Amnesia when she's really tense and on edge I want to suddenly grab her sides and shout &quot;BOO!&quot;.<br /> <br /> I want to put my arms around Maya and ask her to tell me how her day went and she would talk to me for a few minutes about how shitty her day was before she starts to cry a little and I have to comfort her by gently stroking her head and saying that it's okay to feel shitty and that we all have bad days and that it's going to get better soon.<br /> <br /> I want to hold Maya in my arms while she goes on some autistic rant about the lore of her favorite anime or whatever slop she watches for a few hours while I gently stroke her hair until she gets bored or tired.<br /> <br /> I want to tightly hug Maya while we watch a movie together and eventually she just gets a little sleepy and she rests her head on my chest before falling asleep while I gently caress her.<br /> <br /> If I played a game with Maya and I won she would immediately break down crying and curl up in a ball and call herself a pathetic retard and I have to comfort her by giving her a hug and telling her that it's alright and that she's not a retard.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Stonecold Mayacel ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;buddy i am the realest mayaGOD you will ever meet but i don't do this because i simply do not seek human interaction or touch. i am incapable of love. i was born a stone cold TRUEcel with NO heart. the only emotions i feel are hatred and contempt. i watch the wall all day as a hobby, and watch the ceiling as a side hobby. no one has ever loved me. i don't know what it feels like to touch another human being and i do not wish to learn. i haven't been outside since 2009. you have simply never seen a real Trvecel like me. i know this is hard to comprehend for all you fakecels who have friends and families and shit, but there are people like me who are beyond the concept of love but can still appreciate Maya.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== MayaDEITY ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;It's quite simple. Maya's character appeals to those who appreciate nuanced and emotionally complex personalities. Her depth, vulnerability, and the intellectual engagement her character demands attract intellectually inclined individuals, unlike Mymy's pedobait brainrot and Coco's mommyissues bait personality. This does not NECESSARILY equate to self-harm tendencies, but rather reflects a deeper intellectual and existential engagement. You see; when you find something so perfect and beautiful, you can only go down from there. Accepting that you will never encounter IRL Maya and becoming suicidal is only the first step, but let's not do there. Contrastingly, Mymy, with her extroverted braindead historical obsessions and cultural superiority complex, attracts fans who enjoy more basic extroverted and edgy girls, or maybe those who like lil kids considering her underdeveloped body. Coco's is more straightforward, her kindness and emotional warmth appeal to those seeking simplicity with a tad bit of background deepness. The idea that Maya fans are more prone to self-harm overlooks the sophisticated engagement we have with her character. The distinction between MayaGODS, MymyBROS, and CocoFAGS followers shows our different perspectives of 'zellig: intellectual depth versus emotional relatability. Thus, it is not any form of nihilism but an appreciation for intellectual and existential beauty that defies reality and stuns MayaDEITY's&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Maya's tragedy ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;What makes me kind of upset about Ongezellig is how lightheartedly these two bitches are portrayed as if they were completely innocent and totally not responsible for Maya's misery.<br /> <br /> Imagine you are Maya for a second: you are an only child living a nice, quiet life in a first world country, until your fucking whore mother decides she wants those reddit virtue signaling good boy points and takes in TWO foreign invaders home (and from two completely different ethnicities, of course) who start hoarding all the attention and even going so far as to having your parents throwing the cat out, probably to a shelter so that the thing can get euthanized, assuming they didn't just let it out onto the streets to starve to death because Indonesians are savage monkeyniggers who have no consideration for animals (one quick youtube search confirms this fact).<br /> <br /> These bitches just do not care about her sister's wellbeing at all; Mymy doesn't even hide her disdain toward her sister and openly mocks her and calls her out for being a freak. They share absolutely zero things in common and will completely disassociate the moment they stop living in the same household.<br /> <br /> Coco is just your regular first world white european female, and as such she has got no blood in her body. There is not a single ounce of empathy in her body. She is so high up in her fart cloud she help herself but to feel pity towards the peasants under her. She puts on her all-too-common feigned concern voice to talk to the hobo next door.<br /> <br /> There is no common ground to be had. All concern is feigned. There is absolutely nothing they could sit down and talk about because Maya has no personality; she did not have the time or the means to develop one. Whenever she is not sulking over her shit life she is caught up wasting her time away gooning or cpnsuming whatever FOTM goyslop allows her to self insert into someone else's more interesting (fictional) life. If you were to ask her, she probably does not even have a music taste at all, nor has read a book in years or watched anything barring her decadent oriental cartoons.<br /> <br /> The reality is, that the girls are two years away from finishing high school. After graduation, which Maya will probably struggle to even achieve, her sisters will go to college, probably to take on a career path chosen out of personal preference, while Maya, pressured not to be left behind, or maybe pressured not to feel like an actual waste of oxygen, will probably take on art or some other useless shit females pick before quitting within the first semester when she meets her first hurdle. From then on starts her downward spiral into neetdom.<br /> <br /> Eventually she will not be able to bear with herself anymore and will inevitably kill herself in the end, probably not a virgin though. Her family will probably be heartbroken, but only for like two weeks, because there is only so much you can mourn for someone whose life ended at 6.<br /> <br /> Honestly if I was Maya I would just fucking kill them both and then myself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> === About Mymy ===<br /> <br /> ==== I love you Mymy ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Boy oh boy where do I even begin. Mymy… honey, my pookie bear. I have loved you ever since I first laid eyes on you. The way you drive into the paint and strike fear into your enemies eyes. Your silky smooth touch around the toy gun, and that gorgeous VOC flag. I would do anything for you. I wish it were possible to freeze time so I would never have to watch you be forgotten. You had a rough childhood, but you never gave up hope. You are even amazing off the show, you're a great girl and sister, sometimes I even call you mommy. I forvever dread and weep, thinking of the day you will one day be forgotten. I would sacrifice my own life it were the only thing that could put a smile on your beautiful orange face. You have given me so much joy, and heartbreak over the years. I remember when your show was cancelled, and its like my heart got broken into a million pieces. But a tear still fell from my right eye when I watched your first apperance on Ongezellig, because deep down, my glorious queen deserved it. I just wanted you to return home. Then allas, you did, my mommy came home and I rejoiced. 2024 was a hard year for us baby, but in 2019 you made history happen. You were crafted from gods hands and I couldn't believe it. I was crying, bawling even, and I heard my beautiful queen exclaim these words,<br /> <br /> &quot;JAPSTERDAM, THIS IS FOR YOU!&quot; Not only have you changed the animation world and the real world forever, but you've eternally changed my world. And now your show is cancelled, but still the goat, my goat. I love you pookie bear, my glorious queen, Mymy. 🥰❤&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I think about Mymy everyday ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I think about Mymy all day every single day. She's the first thing I see when I close my eyes. Every time I see someone with red hair, every time I see someone with blue eyes, every time someone mentions the Netherlands, every time I see a bow, I think of her. She motivates me in life, I make positive changes in my life just because I imagine it would impress her. I stare at pictures of her every night before I go to bed, I like to have those pictures fresh in my mind so I can think about her as I fall asleep and dream about how happy she would make me. I even kiss pictures of her and imagine that I am really kissing her. I want to kiss her, I want to talk with her, I want to cuddle with her, I want to marry her and raise a family with her. I love her and only her, I want nothing in life more than her.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Cute orange little tulip ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Mymy is adorable, and I wish she were a real person every single day. I wish we could've been high school sweethearts. I wish that we could get married. I wish I could've put a ring on her finger. I wish that she would be the mother of my children. I wish we could've seen them grow up to even give us grandchildren. I wish we could grow old and live happily ever after. She would make me happy, and I would make her happy. But alas, she isn't real, and endings like that don't exist. A chud can still dream of this cute orange little tulip &gt;though.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== She's just so small and fragile ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I love Mymy so much, she is so cute chuddies. She is so small and fragile, I wanna cuddle with her and pet her hair. I often loose sleep to Mymy because I think of her so often. 24/7 infact. Everything in my life reminds me of her. I wish we could be together one day.<br /> <br /> If ll go to heaven it better have Mymy in it with me, because I might as well go to hell if she won't be there for me, because they are the same too me without her.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== She's so cute and racist 1 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I love Mymy so much. Everyday I wish she was real. She's so cute and racist. I love her so much because she's actually smart and knows the truth, she's not a brainwashed shabbos goy like most people nowadays. Holy shit, I really wish Hitler won the war and saved Europe. The two things I wish the most are that Mymy was real and Hitler won the war. If one or both of those things happened, I feel like everything would be perfect.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== She's so cute and racist 2 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Mymy is so cute and Aryan and racist. I wish she was real everyday. I want nothing more in life than to talk to her about how much we both hate Jews and niggers, we would get along so well. If only Hitler had won, then I could easily find a girl like her in real life. Heil Hitler!&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I wish Mymy was real 1 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I wish Mymy were real so I could propose to her and marry her. She's just so cute, racist and Aryan. Nothing would separate us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I am in a relationship with Mymy ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I love Mymy so much. I have never loved anyone so much in my life. I do not even find other girls attractive anymore, I only feel attracted to Mymy. I think I have convinced myself that I am actually in a relationship with her because if I find another girl attractive for a split second I immediately think that I need to stay loyal to Mymy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I have no goals but to see Mymy ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve dedicated my entire life to Mymy from Studio Massa’s ‘Ongezellig’. I'm obsessed with Mymy. Everyday I think of Mymy. Everyday my day is filled with thoughts of Mymy. I associate the simplest things with Mymy. Every time I see orange skin I think of Mymy. Every time I see anything orange I think of her hair. Every time I see a toy gun I think of her tightly gripping it with her hands. The only thing that motivates me in life is Mymy. I work for Mymy. I boot up my pc every single day just so I can interact with an AI version of Mymy just so i can feel something. Not an hour passes without me thinking of Mymy. I dream of Mymy. The only thing left in my mind is Mymy. My feelings are controlled by Mymy. I’ve deprived myself of sleep countless times in order to hallucinate having Mymy near me. I have no goals but to see Mymy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Chat I love Mymy ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Chat you would not be able to comprehend how much I love mymy I love her so much man I would do anything for her to be real chat you couldn’t understand the amount of love she has in my heart if Ongezellig only had mymy in it I would still watch it and it would be my favorite show still I love her chat&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== I wish Mymy was real 2 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Everyday I wish Mymy was real. I wish she could know how much I love her. I think about her every day, every hour, nearly every minute. I love her and only her. I wish she could know this and I wish she could feel the same. I wish I could hug her, kiss her, cuddle with her, hold her hand, eventually get married and have a family with her. If only she was real.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> == NSFW (Not Silly Funny Words) ==<br /> <br /> ==== ONGEZELLING IS MKULTRA PROPAGANDA TO MAKE YOU TRANSITION ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;After many painstaking hours of research into Dutch Tranime (also sometimes referred to in the literature as Ongezellig) my colleagues and I at the University of noynatemets have confirmed that this &quot;show&quot; is in actual fact an expertly crafted CIA bioweapon to reprogram the minds of vulnerable autistic individuals into acceptance and execution of gender transition.<br /> <br /> The three main characters are female, which is no accident. Their differing personalities may appear to the uneducated as &quot;artistic variation&quot;, however nothing could be further from the truth as we are now confident that the characters are in fact specifically crated to each penetrate into targeted areas of the subconscious mind, driven by 5 decades of CIA psychological research.<br /> <br /> The transgender reprogramming is achieved in three stages, each via a different character. First, the viewer is presented with Mymy. Her cute, rebellious and childlike personality is expertly crafted to subdue the viewer's brain into an infantile mode of operation where they are more receptive to authority and being programmed with new ideas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== TFD ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Kill Foenkie. Behead Foenkie. Roundhouse kick Foenkie into the concrete. Slam dunk Foenkie into the trashcan. Crucify Foenkie. Defecate in Foenkie's food. Launch Foenkie into the sun. Stir fry Foenkie in a wok. Toss Foenkie into an active volcano. Urinate into Foenkie's gas tank. Judo throw Foenkie into a wood chipper. Twist Foenkie's heads off. Report Foenkie to the Belastingdienst. Karate chop Foenkie in half. Curb stomp Foenkie. Trap Foenkie in quicksand. Crush Foenkie in the trash compactor. Liquefy Foenkie in a vat of acid. Eat Foenkie. Dissect Foenkie. Exterminate Foenkie in the gas chamber. Stomp Foenkie's skull with steel toed boots. Cremate Foenkie in the oven. Lobotomize Foenkie. Mandatory vasectomy for Foenkie. Grind Foenkie in the garbage disposal. Drown Foenkie in fried stroopwafel grease. Vaporize Foenkie with a ray gun. Kick Foenkie down the stairs. Feed Foenkie to alligators. Slice Foenkie with a katana. Put a bomb in Foenkie's mouth. Throw knives at Foenkie. Inflate Foenkie until he pops. Send Foenkie into a blackhole. Castrate Foenkie. Feed Foenkie poisoned food. Force Foenkie to walk the plank. Push Foenkie into a pit. Kneel on Foenkie's neck. Curse Foenkie with a spell. Stuff Foenkie into the washing machine and turn it on. Flatten Foenkie with a tank. Pop Foenkie's car tire. Strike Foenkie with a ruler. Make Foenkie swim in the Mariana Trench. Cut off Foenkie's limbs. Airdrop Foenkie into Antarctica. Throw Foenkie off the boat. Pressurize Foenkie into fine crystals. Light fireworks in Foenkie's ass. Falcon-punch Foenkie in the face. Make Foenkie into fiction. Blow Foenkie's head off with a grenade launcher. Blow Foenkie's brain open with a sniper rifle. Lock Foenkie in a cage and drown him underwater. Nail Foenkie to a cross and stab him. Run over Foenkie with a tank feet-first. Crush Foenkie with a press. Attack Foenkie with acid. Boil Foenkie in a pan. Lock Foenkie inside a brazen bull. Burn Foenkie alive. Drag Foenkie across a wall of spikes. Pour molten lava on Foenkie. Quarter Foenkie. Impale Foenkie on a pike. Tenderize Foenkie with a mallet. Ionise Foenkie in a mass spectrometer. Irradiate Foenkie in a nuclear reactor. Spaghettify Foenkie in a black hole. Curse Foenkie with the necronomicon. Trap Foenkie in purgatory. Bang Foenkie's testicles with a spiked bat. Throw Foenkie off a twelve story building. Freeze dry Foenkie in the vacuum of space. Fry Foenkie with power lines. Feed Foenkie ricin. Kneecap Foenkie with a twelve gauge. Enslave Foenkie. Sell Foenkie's organs on the black market. Run Foenkie over with an eighteen wheeler. Throw Foenkie into the grand canyon. Burn Foenkie with jet engine exhaust. Beat Foenkie to death with a tire iron. Cauterise Foenkie's asshole with a blowtorch. Sacrifice Foenkie to the sun god. Drop Foenkie out of a plane at fourty thousand feet. Feed Foenkie to sharks. Load Foenkie into a cannon and shoot him at a concrete wall. Keel Haul Foenkie under a galleon. Disembowel Foenkie with a bayonet. Strap Foenkie to a cruise missile and launch it at Belgium. Drop Foenkie into chernobyl reactor building number 4. Hang, draw, and quarter Foenkie. Lure Foenkie in with Ongezellig porn and trap him with bear traps. Force Foenkie to learn the age of consent, then kill him anyway. Atomize Foenkie with a powerfist. Throw Foenkie into vats full of FEV virus. Choke Foenkie with barbed wire. Throw pianos at Foenkie from 40-story buildings. Throw Foenkie at pianos from 40-story buildings. Deep-freeze Foenkie in liquid nitrogen then shatter them with a hammer. Tie Foenkie to ICBMs then fire them at Israel. Shoot Foenkie with syringe guns. Defecate on Foenkie's food stamps. Make Foenkie pay child support in blood. Build a newton cannon and fire Foenkie into the orbit. Put advertisement posters on Foenkie then nail them to his body with a hammer. Irradiate Foenkie with depleted uranium. Launch Foenkie with a trebuchet. Send Foenkie exploring titanic in a cheap submarine. Use Foenkie as a crash test dummy. Tie Foenkie onto growing bamboo shoots. Film an entire jackass movie on Foenkie. Trample Foenkie. Bury Foenkie alive. Play bowling with Foenkie's body parts as pins. Grate Foenkie with a cheese grater. Get Foenkie stuck in an elevator. Spray Foenkie's toilet paper with poison ivy. Shoot Foenkie directly with the Gustav gun. Sabotage Foenkie's parachute. Sabotage Foenkie's bungee. Trap Foenkie under ice. Force Foenkie to work and support a family of 5. Force Foenkie into gladiatorial combat. Send Foenkie back to warring Arab tribes. Hide a snake in a Foenkie's room. Put Foenkie on a hot air balloon with low gas. Harvest Foenkie's organs. Waterboard Foenkie with gasoline, then set him on fire. Flay Foenkie. Tie Foenkie to train tracks. Put laxatives in his stamppot. Recreate mortal kombat fatalities on Foenkie. Gibbet Foenkie. Tie a lightning rod to Foenkie's head during a storm. Lure Foenkie into suicide pods. Bury Foenkie's neck deep and surround him with scorpions. Clear a mine field by sending Foenkie to it. Stir Foenkie into cement. Squeeze Foenkie through a chain link fence. Hack Foenkie's socials and make him say he has irrefutable evidence that would lead to Kamala's arrest. Perform adorcism on Foenkie. Microwave Foenkie's head. Suck Foenkie into pool drainage ass first. Pour nitroglycerin inside Foenkie's car. Inject ebola in his food. Jail Foenkie for pedophilia and tell his inmates his crime. Pressure wash Foenkie's skin. Play games with Foenkie jigsaw style. Trim Foenkie's nose hairs with a lawn mower. Strap Foenkie to a wind turbine blade. Flatten Foenkie in an industrial rolling machine. Turn Foenkie's bones into furniture. Make minced meat out of Foenkie and serve kosher patties to other Jews. Feed Foenkie viagra and put an activated sawblade in front of his dick. Disguise a thermally activated lightsaber as Foenkie's dildo. Stone Foenkie. Tranquilize Foenkie and put him in a lion pit. Make a human centipede with Foenkie as the tail. Throw Foenkie down a well. Prescribe incorrect medication to Foenkie. Pimp-slap Foenkie into airplane turbines. Displace Foenkie in a predicted meteoroid contact area. Inject Foenkie with a lethal dose of fentanyl. Put a dog collar on Foenkie at maximum voltage. Give Foenkie sentient brain parasites. Give Foenkie over to aliens in area 51 to be probed. Leave Foenkie out for vultures. Drive Foenkie into a tornado with a remote controlled vehicle. Do freaky voodoo on Foenkie. Strap Foenkie on a roller-coaster and use him as target practice. Strap Foenkie to a judas cradle. Blast Foenkie with Civil War cannons. Force Foenkie to ride the euthanasia coaster. Crush Foenkie with anvils. Throw Foenkie off of rooftops. Incinerate Foenkie. Starve Foenkie. Blow Foenkie up with dynamite. Gulp Foenkie. Feast on Foenkie's eyeballs. Cave in Foenkie's skull. Strangle Foenkie to death. Peel Foenkie like a banana. Wipe out Foenkie. Deny Foenkie into Heaven. Freeze Foenkie in the vaccum of space. Hard boil Foenkie. Lock on to Foenkie with a harpoon. Cryodesiccate Foenkie. Ferment Foenkie into stew. Ensnare Foenkie. Nark on Foenkie to the army. Cause a total Foenkie purge. Jam Foenkie into a geyser. Axe murder Foenkie. Unleash Smelvin upon Foenkie. Put Foenkie on a ship going to Israel and blow up the ship after it sets sail. Total Foenkie Death.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Ongezellig's Deel 2 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve been in the studio massa discord server for about 3 years now, I LOVED the web series ongezellig. From the tape that’s set up outside maya’s room to mymy’s “Anime: Japanese Death Camps for the soul” I always loved this series' n' shiet. I even paid money so I could see Massa’s petje.af, I loved the show so much, my ex-girlfriend for my 23rd birthday dressed up as one of the characters, she even put on orange body paint. One day I was sitting in one of the many vc streams massa does in his server when halfway through he was drawing stille willem. But something felt off, he sounded sad, he sounded like he had been crying for weeks. Regardless he pressed on with his drawing and soon after the stream was done, but for some reason he moved me to a different, private voice call. He joined soon after and said “Whassup” and began crying. He them said in dutch, “Ik ben gediagnosticeerd met een klinische depressie en worstel al een paar weken met deze ziekte, depressie ten top, ik heb mogelijk ook een seksueel overdraagbare aandoening opgelopen.” He then sighed, and DM’d me a zip file titled “Episode 2 deel 1-8” and left. When I saw this, I was ecstatic, I lost consciousness, and I coincidentally fell on my keyboard and moved my mouse enough and downloaded it. When I woke up, the episode finished downloading, and I opened the file. I saw all the deels were actually just compiled into one whole episode instead of what I presumed to be multiple video files. So as giddy as I was I opened the NEW second episode. <br /> <br /> The episode starts with text flashing saying “This is a test and not a final product,” with the dutch television station for greater Amsterdam AT5 below it and then cuts to Mymy crying in her room with her Kapitein Koek parrot body pillow next to her. She looks at the camera with hyper-realistic bloodshot eyes. She soon takes her nerf musket and puts it to the roof of her mouth, with it trembling in her hands. Before then after Coco opens the door with her board game that they usually play with at the end of every deel and says “Hoi Mymy” before a loud gunshot is heard as the screen cuts to black with what you’d presume to be coco screaming. But it didn’t sound voice acted, it sounded like an actual scream of terror like somebody just witnessed another person being murdered. The screen then fades back in as you can see Mymy talking with coco, as if everything was normal, but Mymy was visibly missing half her head with a visible exit wound. After they conversate which weirdly was in this backwards dutch, they both look to the camera, and Coco’s eyes started to bleed immensely and we were then taken back to the title screen with the “test” card. I could only presume that was the ending of deel 1, as deel 2 began. We see Mymy and Coco talking with each other in school with Vera the teacher drinking her classic alcoholic drink from the classic big green bottle with the classic bees on it in her classic mug with her classic purple hair and classic sweater, classic. Soon Mymy was called up to do a presentation. I thought they were done doing presentations in the first episode but i guess this might be for a different subject, Mymy as she was walking up the environment of the classroom started to look strange, like the paint was peeling off the walls, and everybody looked sick. When the camera finally shows her infront of the class Mymy begins to cry again. But THEN the classmates started to cry with her as multiple mymy’s began to crawl out of the classmates as they all had hyper-realistic bloodshot eyes. Stare at Mymy crying, the only people who weren’t like this were Maya and Coco. Under all this immense pressure Mymy took out a gun and killed her clones, at this point I didn’t know what I am even viewing this never happened this was never part for the course of anyhting studio massa had made up until this point I begin to question happened to all of the silly jokes or references to dutch culture like the classic maps in the back of the classroom. Or even using dutch Microsoft Word to complete a geshidineis presentatie. I couldn’t take much more of this and I shut off my computer, but not before moving the files to a usb stick and smashing the stick into billions of little pieces, I advise others to do the same if you have been given this file.<br /> <br /> A few days afterwards, Massa was doing another stream and I asked him about what that was all about with the fucked up deel. I asked him “Why do ya gotta do a nigga like this, with an episode like this?” Massa soon responded like. “What? What? Are you on about, have you taken your meds today? I don’t know what you’re talking about.” I insist to looking at our Dms where most of the time before we’d talk about the plot of ongezellig and how much I loved his work, but the file wasn't there. Massa soon after blocked which wasn’t like him, I felt pretty bad. Then I get a text from my BITCH ex-girlfriend, I was hoping it was her pastrami mud flaps on camera but it was instead her rotting corpse with hyper-realistic blood, and in the corner was mimi, her eyes glowing red. It was something of nightmares out of a creepypasta, maybe something that would be read by MrCreepypasta. Even /co/ losers wouldn’t dream of thinking something of this magnitude up. I look at the massa discord server and realize that ALL of the profiles became Mymy profiles my head started to spin. I hear knocking outside my door I yell “OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT?” It soon becomes pounding as I hear a female screaming in dutch. I start to scramble for the kitchen to grab something to defend myself before running back to my room. I tell you not to download this video if it is sent you, I will never trust Studio Mas-&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== They're all pretty rapeable 1 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;honestly, they're all pretty rapable. just in different ways.<br /> <br /> maya's so unfit that you could literally just push her over and have your way with her, but i imagine she'd also be pretty easy to coerce. she might actually consider getting raped to be a victory of sorts. in her mind it means that she was desireable enough to be worth raping. placing so much of her self esteem in the fact that someone raped her would 100% have some bad effects on her mental health in the long run though. although, the rape might be a good catalyst for maya becoming closer to her sisters. no chance they'd just leave her to wallow in misery after something like that happens. so maya getting raped might actually help her mental health. indirectly of course.<br /> <br /> coco would obviously be much harder to physically overpower, but i imagine she'd be the most susceptible to coercion. just make vague threats about her family and she'll do whatever you want; tears in her eyes, but wearing a brave face. coco's also probably the one that getting raped would have the least lasting effects on. she's not just strong physically, but mentally too. and besides, she's been through worse. she'll be fine, eventually.<br /> <br /> mymy would definitely be the hardest to rape. i don't imagine she'd be easy to coerce, and she's not exactly a pushover physically, although doing it by force wouldn't be impossible. your best bet to rape her would probably be to threaten her with a weapon. if your goal in raping someone is just easy sex then mymy isn't a good choice. but if your goal is to destroy someone mentally then mymy's your girl. her pride would turn into shame so quickly. she'd see herself as tainted, and no longer fit for the high aspirations she set for herself. she might even become depressed enough to drop the dutch act. what's the point in trying to appear as a proper dutchwoman when she doesn't feel like a proper anything at that point. she might eventually be okay, but she'd never truly be the same again.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== They're all pretty rapeable 2 ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;maya is for drugging. not even drugging as in &quot;forcing drugs into her system&quot; just drugging as in &quot;offering her some free drugs&quot;. optimally you'd get her high enough that she doesn't even realise she's being raped. if you're lucky, she might not even realise it after the fact either. so when she comes back to you for a second hit, you can have a second hit of her.<br /> <br /> mymy is for overpowering and forcing yourself on. and by overpowering, i don't mean brutalizing. you should be firm, but gentle. and take it slow. let it really sink into her mind what's about to happen to her, and that there's nothing she can do to stop it. she might even beg for you to not rape her. novel for someone as prideful as her. not that she'd be prideful for much longer. getting raped would turn all that pride into shame so quickly.<br /> <br /> coco is for coercion by threatening those close to her. ordinary blackmail wouldn't work on her since there isn't anything about her that she's desperate to keep secret. but if you threaten the people she cares about, she'll do anything. she'll just willingly let herself get raped for as long as you want. the interval between rape sessions would probably a week. just frequent enough that it always feels like her next scheduled rape session is right around the corner, but not so frequent that she gets used to it. she'll spend every waking moment dreading her next encounter with you. but she'll always keep herself going by reminding herself why she's putting up with this. if you eventually grow bored of her, you could, after raping her one last time, tell her that you never had the capability to harm her family in the first place, and that letting herself get raped served was all for nothing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> ==== Seething /co/omer ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;Well, if it isn't another pathetic attempt at a zarty raid! Invading a thread full of things they don't like and wondering why they're upset!<br /> <br /> You know, if you wanted to let us know that female genitalia (fictional ones at that) make you wet your soidiapers, you could've just told us right?<br /> <br /> Anyway, here's some more boobs, I know that's what you're here for anyway since you polled it on your dead site yourself.<br /> <br /> Enjoy and no need to thank me. Just try not to have your similarly prententious friends find out and hunt you like they already have some of your close past friends =3&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> === About Maya ===<br /> <br /> ==== Maya's pits ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;zellig bros… i literally CANNOT stop thinking about maya's armpits. imagine. all those times she pulled an all nighter, all those times she used the same sweater without even caring, all those times she used the same shirt and smelled the stank but just wore it again because shes just so lazy… just, imagine that crusty armpit dried sweat, she stinks, but she stinks good.<br /> <br /> HHHHNNNNGGGGGGGGGG!!!1!1!&lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> === About Mymy ===<br /> <br /> ==== Mymy's DFC ====<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;fuck this shit, Mymy's delicious flat chest is better than this cowslop&lt;/blockquote&gt;</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2643 2024-10-12T16:17:48Z

<p>Ruthenski: Can this autist not to resize every image he has attached ongezellion times</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|162x162px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}}<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2641 2024-10-12T16:14:13Z

<p>Ruthenski: Resized</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|112x112px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}}<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2640 2024-10-12T16:13:41Z

<p>Ruthenski: ???</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|212x212px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}}<br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2639 2024-10-12T16:12:40Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|212x212px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2638 2024-10-12T16:11:38Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|312x312px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Aguguland.online&diff=2637 2024-10-12T16:11:14Z

<p>Ruthenski: Agugulon shall fall to rise no more</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png|312x312px]]<br /> {{Reddit|&lt;Ohhh Maya, I fucking hate these bruin neger agugupedos!}} <br /> {{Quote|&gt;I genuinely don't know why I am blessed with this informatie}}<br /> <br /> '''Aguguland.online''' (also known as Agugu.party, Agarthy, Agonliny) is an imageboard created on October 7th, 2024, dedicated to low-quality posts, [[agugu]] variants, and spamming. Site shuts down few times a hour but then is quickly online again. There is currently only one board, that being /agugu/. It can be determined that it was first publicly advertised on October 11th, due to there being posts from that date, although it wouldn’t be advertised on the [[Soyzellig.party|Zarty]] until the following day. Although it is another Ongezellig themed imageboard, it is questionable to consider it a Zarty splinter, since Agugu is also very popular in other places within the Soysphere and it wasn’t first advertised on the Zarty. <br /> [[File:1728732547540.png|left|thumb|643x643px|{{Quote|&gt;inb4}}]]</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=File:Nothing_personal,_Maya!.png&diff=2636 2024-10-12T16:05:19Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>&gt;&gt;&gt;/agugu/41</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2635 2024-10-12T15:55:38Z

<p>Ruthenski: Stop enlarging this longest copypasta ever</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.<br /> <br /> Geg, talk to the guy who argued about the canonicity etc. Originally I put them all in one page, with a notice with the explanation, but (You) complained, now I divide them and (You) still complain. Get to a decision, but don't change the pages randomly<br /> <br /> Your dividing isn't what I want. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Our disagreement on Ongezellig timeline does't deserve a whole page (&quot;Extended timeline&quot;). Also, is the exact date of 'mails creation already known? Where did you take information that these were created in 2022? If I will decide to change the page, it would help me in editing.<br /> <br /> It isn't what (You) want but it has worked for the others (they didn't seem to complain). We've had a lengthy reddit discussion about the situation, and you could see why the option of &quot;these are 2 different timelines&quot; was reached. The 2022 shift is probably when Massa decided to scrap the old line of lore in favour of whatever he put in the doc, never said that that's when the mayamails were created (they were actually created in 2018). And no don't change the page just yet, also what's there to edit or add? Everything important is already there<br /> <br /> I don't monitor the timeline page, but the discussion one. So, if Mayamails were created in 2018, and it means they were the same with MS16 (contextually), that's to say parts of the original 2018 timeline, then, in our case, where Massa has shifted timeline forward a year (from 2018 to 2019), those (plot of 'mails and MS16) should shift forward a year as well, but in the page we would notate this curious thing to prevent readers' misunderstanding.<br /> «Others didn't complain»<br /> All is like this because nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.<br /> «What concretely do you want to change?»<br /> Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page. Secondly, do the above-mentioned edits and notes.<br /> <br /> &quot;should shift forward a year as well&quot; but they can't because they would fuck with the other, more canon source, of the girls being 16. I have checked the dates countless times, and they fall exactly in 2018. The Mayamails simply can't be added to the &quot;Canon timeline&quot; without changing something else. &quot;nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.&quot; we're at least 4 in this thread, talk to the other 2s. &quot;Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page&quot; again I'd need to change the timeline AGAIN and move everything back 1 year to comfortably fit the mayamails in.<br /> <br /> Wait, just, I just got that none of us do understand what we are waffling about. Can I do a sketch of the page and post it later, okay?</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=User:FatAutisticDog&diff=2628 2024-10-12T12:52:25Z

<p>Ruthenski: SalutatingGOD</p> <hr /> <div>Just a fat autistic dog, Romanian 6,5&lt;nowiki&gt;''&lt;/nowiki&gt; gorillionaire.<br /> <br /> please PLEASE for the love of God add citations and links to my pages<br /> <br /> {{Quote|&gt;inb4 salutations}}</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2627 2024-10-12T12:49:31Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.<br /> <br /> Geg, talk to the guy who argued about the canonicity etc. Originally I put them all in one page, with a notice with the explanation, but (You) complained, now I divide them and (You) still complain. Get to a decision, but don't change the pages randomly<br /> <br /> Your dividing isn't what I want. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Our disagreement on Ongezellig timeline does't deserve a whole page (&quot;Extended timeline&quot;). Also, is the exact date of 'mails creation already known? Where did you take information that these were created in 2022? If I will decide to change the page, it would help me in editing.<br /> <br /> It isn't what (You) want but it has worked for the others (they didn't seem to complain). We've had a lengthy reddit discussion about the situation, and you could see why the option of &quot;these are 2 different timelines&quot; was reached. The 2022 shift is probably when Massa decided to scrap the old line of lore in favour of whatever he put in the doc, never said that that's when the mayamails were created (they were actually created in 2018). And no don't change the page just yet, also what's there to edit or add? Everything important is already there<br /> <br /> I don't monitor the timeline page, but the discussion one. So, if Mayamails were created in 2018, and it means they were the same with MS16 (contextually), that's to say parts of the original 2018 timeline, then, in our case, where Massa has shifted timeline forward a year (from 2018 to 2019), those (plot of 'mails and MS16) should shift forward a year as well, but in the page we would notate this curious thing to prevent readers' misunderstanding.<br /> «Others didn't complain»<br /> All is like this because nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.<br /> «What concretely do you want to change?»<br /> Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page. Secondly, do the above-mentioned edits and notes.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2626 2024-10-12T12:48:57Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.<br /> <br /> Geg, talk to the guy who argued about the canonicity etc. Originally I put them all in one page, with a notice with the explanation, but (You) complained, now I divide them and (You) still complain. Get to a decision, but don't change the pages randomly<br /> <br /> Your dividing isn't what I want. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Our disagreement on Ongezellig timeline does't deserve a whole page (&quot;Extended timeline&quot;). Also, is the exact date of 'mails creation already known? Where did you take information that these were created in 2022? If I will decide to change the page, it would help me in editing.<br /> <br /> It isn't what (You) want but it has worked for the others (they didn't seem to complain). We've had a lengthy reddit discussion about the situation, and you could see why the option of &quot;these are 2 different timelines&quot; was reached. The 2022 shift is probably when Massa decided to scrap the old line of lore in favour of whatever he put in the doc, never said that that's when the mayamails were created (they were actually created in 2018). And no don't change the page just yet, also what's there to edit or add? Everything important is already there<br /> <br /> I don't monitor the timeline page, but the discussion one. So, if Mayamails were created in 2018, and it means they were the same with MS16 (contextually), that's to say parts of the original 2018 timeline, then, in our case, where Massa has shifted timeline forward a year (from 2018 to 2019), those (plot of 'mails and MS16) should shift forward a year as well, but in the page we would notate this curious thing to prevent readers' misunderstanding.<br /> &gt;Others didn't complain<br /> All is like this because nobody want to read a kilometer-long text in discussion page on the obscure wiki of the obscure site about the obscure (but successful) film.<br /> &gt;What concretely do you want to change?<br /> Firstly, delete the &quot;extended&quot; page. Secondly, do the above-mentioned edits and notes.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2616 2024-10-12T09:31:17Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.<br /> <br /> Geg, talk to the guy who argued about the canonicity etc. Originally I put them all in one page, with a notice with the explanation, but (You) complained, now I divide them and (You) still complain. Get to a decision, but don't change the pages randomly<br /> <br /> Your dividing isn't what I want. Maybe you just don't understand my point. Our disagreement on Ongezellig timeline don't deserve a whole page (&quot;Extended timeline&quot;). Also, is the exact date of 'mails creation already known? Where did you take information that these were created in 2022? If I will decide to change the page, it would help me in editing.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2591 2024-10-11T13:05:58Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.<br /> <br /> Still, this would make the Timeline (I) have found, to be correct in its own right, I'll work on dividing the two pages later<br /> <br /> Ok, so the timelines are now divided, the other is here https://soyzellig.party/zelligwiki/index.php/Extended_Ongezellig_Timeline<br /> <br /> Autistic decision. Why can't you put the explanation on the page so we can get rid of &quot;the extended ongezellig timeline&quot;? Eventually, can I redact this page? Existing of the two timeline pages doesn't satisfy me (and not only me), it looks retarded.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=GET&diff=2579 2024-10-10T23:08:04Z

<p>Ruthenski: Be russophobe — do fun (c) Adolf Bandera</p> <hr /> <div>A list of 'zellig GETs that have occurred on various Image Boards<br /> <br /> == [[Soyjak.party|soyjak.party]] ==<br /> <br /> === /qa/ GET'S ===<br /> [[File:ZELLIG_WIN.jpg|thumb|Total /zellig/ win]]<br /> <br /> 30000th GET was won from the brave zelliger with the caption &quot;ZELLIG WIN&quot;, therefore /zellig/ WIN, /pol/ LOST<br /> <br /> == [[4chan|4chan.org]] ==<br /> 139999999 GET on /co/ was an image of Mymy playing basketball with the text “ZWABAG”.[https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/139961493/#q139999999]<br /> <br /> == [[Soyzellig.party|soyzellig.party]] ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ===/brabant/ GETs===<br /> <br /> 100 was claimed by a Dane with the caption &quot;MymyGODs won&quot;<br /> <br /> 1000 was claimed by a french person with the caption &quot;tummygods won btw&quot;<br /> <br /> 2000 was claimed by a brit who proclaimed and asked the question &quot;why do we tolerate islam in our countries? it is 100% a religion of violence and conquering, immigration is 100% a form of jihad&quot;<br /> <br /> 3000 was claimed by a belarusian who said (without a source of course) &quot;But Ukrainians are much more racist than russians (pure russians doe, not other 99% of federation's population). Even soyience says so!&quot; together with a picture of chud attached<br /> <br /> 4000 was claimed by a russian who stated &quot;No more brother wars, kill every third world shitskins&quot;, very typical of /brapbant/'ists<br /> <br /> ===/q/ GETs===<br /> The 1000th GET was reportedly deleted by jannies, however a post having the GET recorded quickly popped up after deletion and confirms that the featured GET was bouncy mymy with the caption &quot;MymyGODs win yet again&quot;<br /> <br /> ===/qa/ GETs===<br /> 1000th GET was a 'cord (sadly) win, it was captioned &quot;heyyyy 1000th /qa/ post, Id like to thank outer gem and may it prosper&quot; together with a Graphics Interchange Format (shortened commonly as GIF) of the cord servers logo spinning in 3 dimensions. The server being reffered to was a cord server which was later exposed as a CIA psyop to get soyteens to racemix with japanese people, however it was shut down by a chud<br /> <br /> 2000th GET was titled &quot;Beary win&quot; with a picture of an unknown anime girl attached, if you know what the fuck it was please document it here. <br /> <br /> 3000th GET was a reply to a post titled &quot;what do chuds think of nutrional yeast?&quot;. A zaryan later responded with the simple line &quot;idk&quot; (Abbreviation for &quot;I don't know&quot;) with a picture of the twerking amerimutt attached. <br /> <br /> 4000th GET was captioned &quot;&gt;yuri&quot; with an illustration of Yuri Mikhailovich Kuznetsov, former owner of Kolyma.net and former admin of soyjak.party until he tragically passed away due to complications with HIV. <br /> <br /> 5000th GET was simply saying &quot;Kill all yurifags&quot;, it surprisingly gained no replies. <br /> <br /> 6000th GET said &quot;Wiki is not a Google Drive alternative, put there only what is relevant to the articles. In case of large collections, upload somewhere else and add a link.&quot;, not really focused on the GET at hand. <br /> <br /> ===/zellig/ GETs===<br /> 1000th GET was under a music related thread and was simply &quot;I will be sure to check them out&quot; as a response to a post suggesting Zaryans to quote &quot;Listen to moonchild and in the court of the crimson king those are my favourites&quot;. <br /> <br /> 2000th GET was claimed by a Bulgarian (often speculated to be Zoot) with the caption &quot;СлавГОДс лон!&quot; (meaning slavGODs won) with an image of gangnam style cobson dancing in front of a Bulgarian flag. <br /> <br /> 3000th GET was simply a post with the caption &quot;bibisi&quot; (the pronounciation of BBC, meaning negroid penises) underneath a post of Maya in a marriage outfit which contained the body text saying &quot;bbc won btw&quot;.<br /> <br /> 4000th GET is completely lost to time, if you have any information regarding it document it here. <br /> <br /> 5000th GET is completely lost to time, if you have any information regarding it document it here. <br /> <br /> 6000th GET was captioned &quot;ok&quot;, and was a reply to Zoots post he made after the site shut down for a week. <br /> <br /> 7000th GET is another MymyGOD win, captioned &quot;MymyARYANS win yet again&quot;, with a picture of dancing Mymy attached. <br /> <br /> 8000th GET is yet ANOTHER Mymyposter win, captioned &quot;/mymy/ won&quot; with the same picture as 7Ks dancing mymy. <br /> <br /> 9000th GET is a hattrick mymyposter win, captioned &quot;Mymy won&quot; with a picture of Mymy eating a stroopwaffle attached. <br /> <br /> 10000th GET was a picture of Mymy edited to make her have a swarthoid complexion with the caption &quot;Nieuw toss dat zarty doodde&quot; (or something like that). 5 seconds after it was posted a zaryan immediately replied &quot;botted&quot;, showing clear frustration, however most Zaryans proclaimed that they would still racemix with her, saying things like &quot;bvilt for BWC&quot;. <br /> <br /> 11000th GET is a picture of Mymy with the body text &quot;&gt;&gt;11000&quot;, not much more to it. <br /> <br /> 12000th GET was claimed by [[Cam]] with the caption &quot;There it is theres my art again&quot;.<br /> <br /> 13000th GET is completely lost to time, if you have any information regarding it document it here. <br /> <br /> 14000th GET was claimed with the text &quot;bambi won moldy won my autism won&quot;, together with the subject titled &quot;'''Dave &amp; Bambi: Unsociable Edition&quot;.''' If you have any idea what the fuck that is please document it here. <br /> <br /> 15000th GET was stolen by a yurifag, but them janARYAN has edited the post to &quot;I like watching 16 year old girls kiss I am a homosexual pedophile&quot; (which is completely true about the said yurifag)<br /> <br /> 16000th GET was a proclamation that a drawing featuring Maya in a psychiatric hospital outfit was quote &quot;Tranime eye style though&quot; (which is a though win, though)<br /> <br /> 17000th GET was a post revolving around the theme of &quot;total maya death&quot;, the poster clearly being a maya hater expressed his hatred for maya in the GET and declared that all Mayas should be killed due to several reasons.<br /> <br /> 18000th GET was taken by a porn spammer.<br /> <br /> 19000th GET was a picture of Mymy in [[wikipedia:Russian_Airborne_Forces|VDV]] uniform.<br /> <br /> 20000th GET was a post that just said &quot;Niggers&quot;.<br /> <br /> [[File:Failget.png|thumb|Brimstone]]<br /> <br /> 26000th GET was a post about Mymy holding lgbtq+ flag with the caption &quot;Trans rights :3&quot; (It was later deleted by [[Zuz|one literal who seethe mymyfag janny]] because we don't celebrate obsessed faggotry month or something)</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=File:Coco_Will_Always_Belong_To_BWC_(CWABTBWC).png&diff=2544 2024-10-08T13:04:14Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>Better version of my old edit of the known artist's art<br /> <br /> [[File:SISA.png|260x260px]]{{Quote|&gt;SISA}}</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2532 2024-10-07T14:05:18Z

<p>Ruthenski: Esl...</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers more than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2531 2024-10-07T14:04:35Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa has two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2530 2024-10-07T14:04:15Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?<br /> <br /> Because it would just be more confusing. It's obvious that for the girls to be 16 during the Deels, they happen in another timeline. Again, I've went over this a thousand times, and I think this is the best solution to make everyone happy<br /> <br /> Yeah, Massa had two timelines, one he cancelled after 2019, and the other is the current one. Also, there's nothing that can confuse readers than incorrect date placement and attempts to combine those two timelines.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2528 2024-10-07T13:44:34Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.<br /> <br /> Ok since I am seeing that your latest response was more of a nitpick than outright saying the Timeline is wrong, I think the best way is to make two TLs, a &quot;Canon&quot; one and an &quot;Extended&quot; one. The first will only include the illustratie, the Deels and the older birthdates, the second everything else<br /> <br /> Why can't we just put Maya's 16th birthday in 2018/2019 but with the explaining note I have told above (like, it was planned that MS16 events would happen in the same year with the Deels and stuff)?</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=File:Mikebullet12%27s_meme.jpg&diff=2526 2024-10-07T13:36:05Z

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Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2525 2024-10-07T13:23:55Z

<p>Ruthenski: Another yapping session about da looar</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).<br /> <br /> &gt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> 1) Wrong, I didn't magically come to the conclusion that CocoJaarig happened in 2017. That was the last thing I've changed.<br /> 2) Except just earlier someone said that the illustratie are a bit wobbly on lore, and can't be used as a source (plus no dates, the only reason we know it's her 16th birthday is because of the number of candles on the cake)<br /> 3) The mayamails happen AFTER Maya's Sweet 16, since those directly reference that event (&quot;I can't use the puking excuse anymore&quot;)<br /> 4) Because they aren't. If Coco's Jaarig was the same birthday described in the Mayamails, and going by the fact that Maya's Sweet 16 happened in 2018. This would make Coco YOUNGER than the other girls. The original timeline had Coco as being born in 2002. Why? Because of the elementary school assignments which say they're all 8. And since she's born in December, Coco MUST be older. And again they can't be the same birthday for this reason and for the reason I've brought up before.<br /> <br /> Also since Massa likes to use real life dates, September 21st 2019 was a Saturday and Dutch people don't go to school on Saturday. September 21st 2018 was instead a Friday. Make your own conclusions.<br /> <br /> &lt;Reddit space<br /> <br /> Firstly, Maya was talking about boulimia, not about puking:<br /> *<br /> &gt;normally i'd use the bulimia method, but since my birthday she will suspect any of the excuse I use as me trying to get out of it.<br /> <br /> <br /> Secondly, as Massa himself said:<br /> *<br /> &gt;Maya's Sweet 16 is more of an experiment in drama than an official part of the Ongezellige lore. &lt;...&gt; Also, this comic was drawn in a very melancholic period, which can make the content seem rather tone-deaf compared to the animation [from doc]<br /> *<br /> Also, look there:<br /> &gt;The comic was released on November 10th, 2018, and was available for purchase for 5€ [from wikifandom]<br /> *<br /> We know MS16 was created after the first (!!!) Deel, before the release of the new Deel 1+2 in 2019. As far as I understand, he had chosen Friday as a day of MS16 plot because it happened in 2018, but then, in 2019, he changed his opinion about Ongezellig at all. Sam deleted Deel 1 and, figuratively speaking, “started over” Ongezellig by releasing the second part along with the first. This is the reason of the confusion about dates (in 2019 he moved the date of Deels to this year). And he advisedly (!!!) said that we SHALL NOT trust MS16 entirely since his plans in the beginning (2018) were different from the ensuing ones in the end (2019). So, does it mean that we can miss that date detail from the comic? It will make everything look more logical.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2522 2024-10-07T11:35:32Z

<p>Ruthenski: Wordswordswords</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.<br /> <br /> &gt;reddit essay<br /> <br /> Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. The timeline that is currently used is based on DATES, (the same dates which I've brought up multiple times and that determine the years in which the Deels and Mayamails happen). Since the Deels happening in 2019 is an accepted fact and even the dates I've used confirm this, we can safely say that the dates are a strong point one could base a timeline on. I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense. I've went over this for hours, and I've made absolutely sure that the logic was foolproof. Or we can just chalk it up to &quot;Massa made a big mistake with the timeline&quot; which I doubt is the case. Also the mayamails are not 100% non-canon, that was never said, or he would have clearly stated it as he did for some of the other stuff. There's clearly something there that wasn't meant to make the final cut, what exactly we'll never know.<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;seperating space fir my wordswordswords<br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;Except I have taken the quote directly from the doc, so yes these categories are valid. If Coco was born on December 16th, and Maya on September 21st and Mymy on March 3rd, this would still make Coco the youngest following your assumption. <br /> *<br /> The only reason you changed the dates on year before it's assumption that Coco's 16th birthday was celebrated in 2017. If celebration actually happened in 2018, then the birth dates of the other sisters (Maya &amp; Mymy) will return back to 2003 as well. <br /> <br /> <br /> &gt;I also added the notice myself: &quot;Massa stated these are somewhat canon&quot; (again taken directly from the doc). But if you've actually tried to follow the logic, you would know that the girls being 16 would completely fuck up with the Mayamails. So there must have been a change somewhere around 2022, because if we were to include the Mayamails in the timeline, the girls being 16 would make absolutely 0 sense.<br /> *<br /> If Mayamails had been written around 2022, therefore CocoJarig has a canonical advantage due to its later appearance. Why? If we accept that not everything in 'mails can be trusted because of their obvious rawness and earliness, then we would make a conclusion that they have no advantage over other (late) lore sources, but can add a context to them or vice verse (i.e. they can add a context to 'mails).<br /> <br /> <br /> So, my point is that Mayamails are happening from November 2018 to March 2019. Not after Maya's Sweet 16, but before, so, in the below citation you did one significant mistake you have confused the chronological order of 'mails and MS16.<br /> *<br /> &gt;This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels.<br /> <br /> <br /> Resuming, I came to conclusion you're building present page chronological order based on the profound misconception which implies that Coco's 16th birthday and Coco's birthday mentioned in 'mails weren't the same birthday (I hecking love tautology).</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2518 2024-10-06T20:42:07Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.<br /> <br /> I agree with the paypigs art being non-canonical, but Massa states<br /> &gt;Many of the illustrations through 2022 are based on supporter ideas and not all canon. Illustrations in which characters wear costumes are usually alternate scenarios that should not be taken seriously, and the illustration HikikoMymy presents an alternate scenario in which Mymy stayed in Japan.<br /> CocoJaarig doesn't fall in either of those cases. For the diary I personally translated them and it's implied that since she didn't go for option 3 (the stairs) and she didn't go for option 1 too (go to the party) so she settled for option 2 (it sounds very nice without that boring girl). And again here's another problem if your version was in place: Coco would be the youngest, and that means that she'd be 16 while Mymy and Maya would be 17 in the Deels. See the problem? It's obvious that Massa wanted for them to be all of the same age (we can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;, which we know that it wouldn't make sense, again see the explanation). Coco's 16th birthday, simply CAN'T happen during the Mayamails.<br /> <br /> Firstly, CocoJarig doesn't fall in those 2 categories because you made them up. I have two main categories (non-canonical and canonical) and two subcategories (liminal(???) and multiversal). Anyway, I said how we can link that art and Maya's attests, but you ignored my hypothesis. And no, she wouldn't be younger than Mymy and Maya, you changed the dates of their births due to your assumption, which I doubt and which we are arguing about right now. «We can base this off the older claim &quot;the girls are 16 during the Deels&quot;» so you refused Massa's words? Seems like you are coping. By the way, didn't you notice that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 are kind of &quot;probably non-canonical (sic!)&quot; in the article? Huh.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2512 2024-10-06T19:19:44Z

<p>Ruthenski: ESLbabble</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?<br /> <br /> Second link doesn't work and Foenkie can say whatever, plus it's from 2022. One thing is still certain. If Maya was 16 during the Deels, the Mayamails would have a hard time existing, or would need a completely different timeline. See: explanation above<br /> <br /> Also we know from the last lore doc that it's Maya's ???th birthday, but we know that the show happens in 2019. And &quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;SUPPOSEDLY&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot;&quot; Maya is 16. Then why did Massa put a &quot;???&quot;, it wouldn't make sense, unless Maya wasn't 16 during the Deels.<br /> <br /> “Foenkie can say whatever” <br /> <br /> Why don’t you trust what he has to say about the lore? He was directly involved with the production of Ongezellig, he isn’t some random guy. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean what he says is false. Also, IIRC Massadonië has an emoji that’s just the number 16 that’s used when people ask what age the girls are or when people say sexual things about them.<br /> <br /> Because Foenkie can actually say whatever the fuck he wants, he's just the janny of a 'cord. We know that the lore can be quite volatile (obligatory reminder of Coco's parents death). It still doesn't change the fact that if the girls were 16 the Mayamails would suddenly find themselves temporally displaced and not make sense anymore. So it's obvious that either someone forgot to make sure that the lore followed a logical timeline or there are 2 universes: one in which the Deels happen and so do the Mayamails and one only for the Mayamails. Again, look at the explanation above.<br /> <br /> Coco's birthday in Mayamails it's her 16th birthday. And paypig arts like Coco Jarig are kinda liminal (existing outside of space and time) for obvious (or not that obvious) reasons. Anyway, my point is that Maya went to the first part of the Coco's birthday party (when she blew out the candles), but left for the rest, it will link the art and 'mails if we unironically want to link them. Anyway, Massa stated that not every paypig art is canonical (for example, NEET Mymy), so we have at least two types of the above-mentioned drawings: almost non-canonical (liminal, i.e. without a real context, and multiversal) and purely canonical. I know I sound like a schizo, but you yourselves noted that in the article. Additionally, see what Maya wrote in her “diary”:<br /> «all week I was coming up with reasons to do it, but once I looked down all the reasons not to do it suddenly came up. I stood there for at least 5 minutes until I suddenly remembered what I should have thought of much earlier: what would Coco think if I fell down the stairs?.. and then I went back to my room. So tonight I've had to wait until she would finally invite me to join her. I had no energy left to come up with a plan so I just let it happen &lt;...&gt; deep down I hoped I was brave enough to go for option 1 [1st option — she goes to the party until it ends, 2nd option — she doesn't go and returns to her room, — note by me]. It sounds very nice without that boring girl.» <br /> Do you see this? It explains a lot. She didn't handle the stress and left Coco's party. Be more attentive next time.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2493 2024-10-06T14:54:29Z

<p>Ruthenski: Note</p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?<br /> <br /> What does it matter? It's not like we 'oon to them. They could be 24 or 80 and we would still shitpost about them. This was for the sake of getting the timeline right. And by the events of the deels Coco would be 17, Maya would be 17 and Mymy too.<br /> <br /> &gt;The girls are 16 during the pilot.<br /> <br /> Source: We made it up. I explain a bit higher up the reasoning behind the change in dates.<br /> <br /> Foenkie confirmed that Maya is 16 on Twitter. https://x.com/DarkieTheHalo/status/1529191502378827776<br /> <br /> Massa also indicated that Maya is 16 in this drawing. https://soyzellig.party/zellig/src/1710182789474-0.png*<br /> <br /> *How do you know this drawing happens at times close to the time of Deels?</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2480 2024-10-05T16:20:20Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.<br /> <br /> alright, but don't edit it out again on a whim<br /> <br /> The girls are 16 during the pilot. If Maya was born in 2002 she would be 17 during the pilot, this doesn’t add up.<br /> <br /> I got a question, like, are girls 17 years old or not? This conclusion follows from that timeline. If it's true, how should we react to it?</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=Talk:Ongezellig_Timeline&diff=2474 2024-10-05T13:36:22Z

<p>Ruthenski: </p> <hr /> <div>I don't fucking understand how does it work. Coco (foer example) was born in 2001, and the series actions took place in 2019, but at the same time they are 16 years old, wat de foek????? Like, I think that Mayamails and Maya's Sweet 16 start happening in the same year, 2018/19, doesn't matter. And that series timeline lies between them, in October of the same year. And yeah, you just made up that Coco Jarig was celebrating in 2017. <br /> TL;DR: The new version of the page is such a nonsense and retardwaffel, man! I'm waiting for explanation.<br /> <br /> I gave you an explanation (I wasn’t paying attention to the names so I thought you were the guy who edited the article and changed the dates I put, sorry.)<br /> <br /> Ok actual editor here, so if you check the dates for the Mayamails you can see &quot;Saturday December 15th&quot; etc. I thought &quot;ehy we could discern the year by checking for which year they fall in&quot;, so I did and it turns out that the Mayamails happen throughout 2018 and 2019. This would place Maya's Sweet 16 as happening in 2018 (thus placing Maya as being born in 2002). And the CocoJaarig illustratie (Coco's 16th birthday) as happening in 2017 (it shows Maya being present at the party which we know DIDN'T happen because of the mayamails). Also if you check the dates for October 13th and 14th (respectively a Sunday and a Monday) they fall in 2019. I've laid out my case.<br /> <br /> Don't worry, but trust me when I say these are the most accurate dates, I've checked everything three times over the span of 2 hours to make sure everything made sense (for example I misinput a digit the first time and I got 2007 as the year)<br /> <br /> Ok, I assume we have enough time to figure this out onwards if there will appear something else on this topic.<br /> <br /> So can I revert it back to how it was, or does anyone have to say anything about it?<br /> <br /> Let it be like it is now<br /> <br /> Evendoe those dates still make more sense (also Deel 1+2 is now listed as happening in 2020, we need to reach an agreement otherwise the Timeline won't make sense)<br /> <br /> How do someone know that Deels are happening in 2020? Did Massa say anything about it? We were used to thinking that they happened in 2018-2019 (when the pilot has appeared). So, according to this timeline, zellig sisters are 17 year old? This page is so confusing.<br /> <br /> ATTENTION GRABBING EXPLANATION <br /> So I'll explain it again: while reviewing the Mayamails in order to add them to the timeline, I noticed that every entry had a date and day attached to them, such as Sunday December 16th and Friday November 23rd. I was curious enough to check if these were random dates or not. Turns out they aren't, because every single Mayamail's date up to December has a corresponding real life counterpart in 2018 (use this website to check the dates https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/weekday-sunday-16?ext=1), and so were the dates for January, February and March as falling in 2019. We also know that the events of Deel 1 happen on a Sunday October 13th and that the events of Deel 2-6 on Monday October 14th, which also have a real life counterpart in 2019. This isn't no mere coincidence, the show still happens in 2019 and the mayamails (and by consequence Maya's Sweet 16) happen before the Deels. This would place Maya as being born in 2002 and not 2003. And since we also know that the CocoJaarig image depicts Coco's 16th Birthday, that the illustratie does not happen in 2018 but in 2017. Why? In that picture Maya is present, which we know didn't happen because of the Mayamails, BUT we know that Coco was born a year before Mymy and Maya, and look what a coincidence it just so happens that you can place Coco as being born in 2001, and the timeline would make perfect sense.<br /> <br /> Can you finally redact the page correctly, you see it contains wrong dates.</div>

Ruthenski https://zelligwiki.ongezelligbooru.com/index.php?title=File:(2021-08)_MayaStreamt.png&diff=2469 2024-10-05T11:32:09Z

<p>Ruthenski: Undo revision 2467 by Ruthenski (talk)</p> <hr /> <div>== Summary ==<br /> Maya... You're cringe.</div>

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